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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">To be honest, this is why I am quick to
remind parents that the library, unlike the school, does not act
"in loco parentis" and that we cannot claim responsibility for
things that children do in the library that are not illegal or
against general library policy. (I will admit I state it in a
slightly less confrontational, more affirmative manner..) <br>
<br>
That said, if a parent comes to me and says that they don't want
the child to use the internet on our computers, I will place a
block on their account, but if they said they wanted me to block
that child on any device I would say that is physically impossible
(which the way we are setup, it pretty much is). I might also
remind the parent that even if I could keep their kid off the
internet here, that they could simply walk up to McDonald's and
access the internet there.<br>
<br>
Have a good weekend.<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Joseph Knueven
Director
Germantown Public Library
51 N. Plum St.
Germantown, OH 45327
937-696-9998x10
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:knuevejo@oplin.org">knuevejo@oplin.org</a>
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On 7/26/2012 4:09 PM, PJORDAN wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Depends
if their friend’s account is delinquent, I
guess
</span></font><font color="blue"
face="Wingdings"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oplinlist-bounces@lists.oplin.org">oplinlist-bounces@lists.oplin.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:oplinlist-bounces@lists.oplin.org">mailto:oplinlist-bounces@lists.oplin.org</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Eric Taggart<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:02 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Paris Robertson<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Phil Shirley; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oplinlist@oplin.org">oplinlist@oplin.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [OPLINLIST] Require library card for
public wireless?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">What happens if they also borrow
their friend's card?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Coshocton Public Library<br>
<st1:street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">655
Main Street</st1:address></st1:street><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM,
Paris Robertson <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:robertpa@oplin.org"
target="_blank">robertpa@oplin.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">I can understand
your viewpoint on this, however I’d be
concerned with the advent of portable
tech so readily available today – it may
not be the parent that is providing the
device to the child. It’s a simple
matter for a teen to borrow a device
from a friend and if a parent has
specifically stated they don’t want
their child to have access to the
internet while at the library… you can
see where I’m going with this.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Robertson</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size:
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">oplinlist-bounces@lists.oplin.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Ken Butler<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, July 26, 2012 3:15 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Phil Shirley<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplinlist@oplin.org"
target="_blank">
oplinlist@oplin.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [OPLINLIST] Require library card for
public wireless?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Phil,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">At the
Holmes County District Public
Library we do not require a library
card for wireless use, but we do
require users to accept usage terms.
We use Sputnik to do this via a
captive portal. This absolves us of
liability for anything that the user
might encounter while using our
wireless services on their own
device. Because this fulfills the
purpose of freeing our library of
liability, we chose not to require
patrons to enter their library card
for authentication, as it seemed
that it would be a hassle for
patrons to use the wireless, and an
even bigger hassle for IT staff to
set up and maintain, with no real
gains for anyone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The one
disadvantage that I can think of
for not requiring authentication
through a library card would be
that since the wireless
connections do not authenticate
through the PC Reservation SIP
server (or something similar), a
minor that was flagged for no
internet access on our patron
computers could come into the
library with a mobile device, be
it a laptop, smart phone or
tablet, and access the internet
without parental/guardian
permission. However, a minor whose
parents or guardians allow them
access to such a device, but not
the internet access the device was
made for, seems unlikely.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">On Thu,
Jul 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Phil
Shirley <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pshirley@cuyahogafallslibrary.org"
target="_blank">pshirley@cuyahogafallslibrary.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Do you
require patrons to enter their
library card number to use your<br>
wireless Internet? If not, is it
because you've chosen not to, or
because<br>
you don't have any way to do it?<br>
<br>
We're about to implement SPOT
from Librarica, and the issue of
whether to<br>
require a library card has come
up. Thanks for any help you can
give us.<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
<font color="#888888"><span
style="color:#888888"><br>
Phil Shirley<br>
Technology Services
Coordinator<br>
<st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Cuyahoga Falls</st1:place></st1:city>
Library<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city
w:st="on">Cuyahoga Falls</st1:city>,
<st1:state w:st="on">
Ohio</st1:state></st1:place><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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ext. 109</a><br>
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