I should have added that aside from the live CD interested people can use the free VMware products to test Ubuntu or another *nix operating system with a virtual machine in Windows.<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 12/6/07,
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I see you have really thought about this, and I like your thoughts. It would be wonderful if OPLIN could help. I told Steven yesterday that I have just finished (if we are ever truly finished) installing Ubuntu as "my" principal OS. It has taken more than a little research to get everything setup and I've been "playing" with it on and off for about a year and a half. I can not see the average "small town" Library switching without MAJOR help on the support side. Even though we have to pay M$ license fees, we ARE familiar with the setup and administration of Windows. After all, we have been building our knowledge of it for a long time. I hope to be able to put a few Edubuntu/Ubuntu stations out to the public in the coming months. I am interested to see how much use they get.
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<b>Subject</b>: Re: [OPLINTECH] Ubuntu in libraries<br></span><div><span>
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<font size="2">I, of course, think that this is a wonderful idea but it is an idea full of opportunities beyond sending out an Open Source DVD.</font><br>
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<font size="2">I see several issues with switching to any Open Source on a large level and a project worthy of the coordination and support OPLIN offered 10 years ago when everyone got a PC and a T1.</font><br>
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<font size="2">·</font><font size="1"> </font>Backend staff training so technical support teams that have learned the Microsoft way can support a new operating system.<br>
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<font size="2">·</font><font size="1"> </font>Compatibility, layers and critical applications. It's great to say OOO will do the job but what about CMI, your ILS client, your pay to print software, electronic resources like Overdrive and Auralog, and even something as simple as filling out an OPLIN support ticket which requires IE.
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<font size="2">·</font><font size="1"> </font>Staff and public training. My mind boggles at showing staff how to use Virtual PC or adding a plug-in to FF on an Ubuntu workstation.<br>
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<font size="2">·</font><font size="1"> </font>And the costs. While Ubuntu and LAMP is free, Ximbra is as expensive as Exchange. And, frankly, you're not going to run an enterprise on an old Gates computer as a server.
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<font size="2">At GCPL we are about to embark on a 12-month project to see if we can pull the plug on Microsoft. The first step is setting up what academic support folk used to call a "star" lab with old equipment to test everything from our servers to our OPACs, the second step is to move our test environment to the type of hardware that will support our enterprise, and if all is well in early 2009 we will unplug our Windows equipment and move to OpenSource.
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<font size="2">Along the way we're going to put together documentation and training materials.</font><br>
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<font size="2">I'd like to share this experience with maybe a 21 Things like project, some webex sharing, and maybe even a couple workshops here in Xenia.</font><br>
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<font size="2">This is right now a very vague idea, but if anyone is interested in helping flush it out or maybe even helping with funding let's talk about it and see where it can go.</font><br>
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<font size="2">From: <a href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>] On Behalf Of Stephen Hedges</font><br>
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<font size="2">Subject: [OPLINTECH] Ubuntu in libraries</font><br>
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<font size="2">Folks,</font><br>
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<font size="2">I've recently seen an interesting article about a public library using</font><br>
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<font size="2"><a href="http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-7/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-7/</a> (see page 18). That has me</font><br>
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<font size="2">Jim Mann's done a nice set of videos on Edubuntu in libraries</font><br>
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<font size="2">(<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdvJIGQCVi0" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdvJIGQCVi0</a>), which is pretty cool.</font><br>
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<font size="2">There's also an Ohio Ubuntu users group that would like to do whatever</font><br>
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<font size="2">(<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-oh" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-oh</a>). Actually, they
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<font size="2">as you can see from their wiki,</font><br>
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<font size="2"><a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/CDdistribution" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/CDdistribution</a>.</font><br>
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<font size="2">Free Ubuntu CD's are available from "ShipIt." This project is designed for</font><br>
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<font size="2">("LoCo's") like the one in Ohio are able to get larger quantities than the</font><br>
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<font size="2">the CD's is pretty much just saying "Welcome To Ubuntu," so the Ohio group</font><br>
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<font size="2">has been working on designing a Quick Starter Guide, which should be ready</font><br>
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<font size="2">for distribution by now. Let me know if you'd like a copy.</font><br>
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<font size="2">Anyway, all of this information is intended to help you get started if</font><br>
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<font size="2">you're interested in trying Ubuntu. There are also quite a few library</font><br>
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<font size="2">techs who use Ubuntu, so posting questions to this OPLINTECH list should</font><br>
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