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LOL! I had to grin when I saw the cases I mentioned earlier. The cases
give you the option of using a standard sized 5.25" CD/DVD-ROM or a
slimline CD/DVD with a 3.5" floppy drive. You're right. Floppies are
long, long obsolete, yet people/businesses/LIBRARIES still want/need
them! How frustrating!<br>
<br>
Jim: Good point on the SSDs. The prices are coming down quickly
(YEAH!) and the power draw is much better. I'm anxiously awaiting a
good pricepoint/capacity to buy one for my battery-abusive laptop!<br>
<br>
Eric: On the custom building front...you're right. If you build it
yourself you might save a few bucks on the initial tangible cost, but
you have to support it yourself over the long haul. Some libraries
might be able to do it efficiently, but probably not most. If you get a
custom build from a reseller, then there's a pretty good chance the
reseller is going to be a local company and not on par with the Dells
of the world. That could be good or bad, but you still have a single
point for support of the computers, just like buying a Dell. That
obviously doesn't make the decision any easier and I'm certainly not
advocating one over the other. (So good luck there figuring out what's
best for your library! <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span>)<br>
<br>
Someone: Resellers can still buy oem XP licenses for installation ONLY
on netbook-class (low-powered) computers. Not for higher-powered
computers, though. To get XP on a higher-powered computer, you have to
get Vista Ultimate or Business. You can then downgrade to XP Pro using
media THAT YOU SUPPLY yourself. If you need a CD key for the install,
you can call Microsoft's support and get one to match your media.
That's the theory, anyway. I only build machines for my own clients,
which means that I don't build lots and lots of them. I'll be testing
that backrev license soon though. Keep your fingers crossed for me!<br>
<br>
<br>
Good luck....And I still like the idea of hanging the computer on the
back of the monitor. I'll have to keep my eyes open for a generic
case/display that can do that.<br>
<br>
Chad<br>
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Chad Neeper
Senior Systems Engineer
Level 9 Networks
740-548-8070 (voice)
866-214-6607 (fax)
-- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
-- Specialized in libraries and schools --</pre>
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<br>
Eric Maynard wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:b6d8e4ca0903181138o2a089082g744ad5ed675d4470@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Yeah, they know that people are not going to give those
things up easily so why squeak a few dollars while we make the
transition.<br>
<br>
<br clear="all">
Eric Maynard<br>
Head of Information Technology,<br>
Holmes County District Public Library<br>
Millersburg, OH 44654<br>
<br>
Email [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]<br>
Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]<br>
Fax [330.674.1938] <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Mann,
James H. <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:JMann@gcpl.lib.oh.us">JMann@gcpl.lib.oh.us</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I love
it….</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">And I’m
still paying an extra $20 to get floppy drives pre-installed.</span></p>
<div class="im">
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<div>
<p><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Jim
Mann</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Technology
Coordinator</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Greene
County Public Library</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">76
E. Market St.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Xenia
Ohio 45385</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">(</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: red;">937)352-4000
x1210</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">mailto:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jmann@gcpl.lib.oh.us"
target="_blank">jmann@gcpl.lib.oh.us</a></span><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">"If
everything seems under control, you're just not going
fast enough." - Mario Andretti.</span></p>
</div>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org" target="_blank">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org" target="_blank">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>JKENZIG<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Eric Maynard; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org" target="_blank">oplintech@oplin.org</a>
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases</div>
</div>
</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<p> </p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Wait a
few
months maybe, and Windows 7 will be out and it runs on quite a bit more
types
of hardware than Vista can. We are going to have to give up XP sooner
or
later. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Most
manufacturers are starting to offer the option of SSD’s in there PC’s
also and
by years end I expect they all will. I think it was Seagate that
last years CES announced a 2 TERAbyte SSD will be out this year, other
drive manufactures have followed suit with announcements. 16 gb ssds
are
generally well available. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style=""><b><span
style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: "Freestyle Script"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Jim
Kenzig</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Network
Manager</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Cuyahoga County
Public Library</span></p>
<p style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Administrative
Offices</span></i></p>
<p style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">2111 Snow
Road / Parma, OH
44134-2728</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.cuyahogalibrary.org"
target="_blank">www.cuyahogalibrary.org</a></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org"
target="_blank">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org"
target="_blank">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Eric Maynard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org" target="_blank">oplintech@oplin.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases</span></p>
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<p> </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Jim,<br>
<br>
Good point on the SSDs, but is there anything out there that runs XP
besides
netbooks? Also, I'd be curious if anything like that had built in
optical
drive options.<br>
<br>
I'm sure you could custom build something like this as Chad was
suggesting, but
I'm not sure that is the route we want to take in terms of long term
support.<br>
<br>
Decisions... decisions.....<br>
<br clear="all">
Eric Maynard<br>
Head of Information Technology,<br>
Holmes County District Public Library<br>
Millersburg, OH 44654<br>
<br>
Email [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org"
target="_blank">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]<br>
Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]<br>
Fax [330.674.1938] <br>
<br>
</p>
<div>
<p>On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:43 AM, JKENZIG <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:JKENZIG@cuyahogalibrary.org"
target="_blank">JKENZIG@cuyahogalibrary.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p>Remember that Solid State drives(SSD) are also starting to
become the norm and they consume way less power.<br>
Also if you can try and get the VPro chipset. It has enhanced
functionality for remote wakeup and control.</p>
<div>
<p><br>
Jim Kenzig<br>
Network Manager<br>
Cuyahoga County Public Library</p>
</div>
<p>Administrative Offices<br>
2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.cuyahogalibrary.org"
target="_blank">www.cuyahogalibrary.org</a></p>
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<p><br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org" target="_blank">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org" target="_blank">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Chad Neeper<br>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:46 PM<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org"
target="_blank">oplintech@oplin.org</a></p>
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<div>
<p>Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases<br>
<br>
I don't think that's going to be so true in the very near future. A
week or so
ago I was looking into the Mini-ITX form factor (6.7 x 6.7 inch)
motherboards
from Intel for a client that wanted to buy some new computers. Intel
has a few
Mini-ITX boards that supports standard desktop processors. One I'm
glancing at
now supports the Core2 Quad.<br>
While I'd like to start using the smaller form factor, I didn't end up
suggesting it yet because the selection of Mini-ITX boards available
from my
distributors are still primarily using underpowered processors...just
like you
said. I only found one mini-itx board SKU supporting standard desktop
processors at one of my secondary distributors. I haven't looked for
release
dates from Intel, but I think they're probably right around the corner
since
they're already being shown on Intel's website in full detail and my
distributors already have at least one SKU.<br>
<br>
The mini-itx case I was looking at had a 120W power supply. If the
processor
alone takes up to 65W, that leaves 55W for the motherboard, 2.5" or
3.5" hard drive, and 5.25" or slimline CD/DVD-ROM drive. That should
be just enough power. Heat could definitely be an issue, as you said,
but if
the case is designed well, it could be managed well enough.<br>
The only thing really proprietary is the motherboard itself, with
built-in
video, USB, network interface, etc. But that's really no different than
full
ATX or mATX style motherboards.<br>
<br>
This is all from a white-box perspective, though. There probably IS
more
proprietary components in a Dell, Acer, or whatever other big names are
left
out there in this economy! But then, with those you also get things
like being
able to hang the computer on the back of the monitor. I haven't looked,
but I
think I'd probably be hard pressed to find something like that in a
whitebox
config.<br>
<br>
Just my 2 (more) cents.<br>
<br>
Chad<br>
<br>
-----------------------<br>
Chad Neeper<br>
Senior Systems Engineer<br>
<br>
Level 9 Networks<br>
740-548-8070 (voice)<br>
866-214-6607 (fax)<br>
<br>
-- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --<br>
-- Specialized in libraries and schools --<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Industry Standard Computers wrote:<br>
> The problem with ALL micro computers except laptops are the power<br>
> supplies are too underrated. The computers run hotter.<br>
><br>
> Seldom do micros have the newest or faster processors as buy
options.<br>
><br>
> Next the micro computers are generally 95% proprietary parts inside<br>
> even the hard drives sometimes are proprietary designs or
interfaces.<br>
><br>
> People who are rich can afford to replace computers every 3 years
or<br>
> whenever the warranty runs out, most others can not.<br>
><br>
> Butch<br>
><br>
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