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On re-reading my messages, you right, Ed. I mis-spoke (-typed) on the
downgrade to XP. I certainly could have been clearer. Thanks for
pointing that out!<br>
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Chad<br>
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Chad Neeper
Senior Systems Engineer
Level 9 Networks
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866-214-6607 (fax)
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Chad Neeper (list) wrote:
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<pre wrap="">That's my understanding too. That's why the end used is supposed to
provide the WinXP media.
A 30GB SSD is too small for my own needs, but it's a great price for
anyone considering SSDs with those specs. Definitely worth a look.
Chad
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Chad Neeper
Senior Systems Engineer
Level 9 Networks
740-548-8070 (voice)
866-214-6607 (fax)
-- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
-- Specialized in libraries and schools --
Ed Liddle wrote:
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<pre wrap="">It was my understanding that to be able to downgrade to XP from vista,
you have to currently have computers running XP. When you install XP on
a new PC with a vista business or ultimate license you can use the XP
numbers off of one of your existing XP computers. If XP won't activate
then you have to call microsoft and once they determine you have a valid
vista license they will give you something to activate xp.
The attached pdf I downloaded from
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf">http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf</a>
It explains the downgrade rights for vista.
Also newegg has a 30 gig ssd for 103 bucks with a promo code of
EMCLPMX37 and a $20 mail in rebate. You can find the details of the
drive here. Just research the speed of the ssd drive, some are faster
than others.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227393&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL031909&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL031909-_-SolidStateDisks-_-L5C-_-20227393">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227393&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL031909&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL031909-_-SolidStateDisks-_-L5C-_-20227393</a>
I bought a EeePC. Its the 1000 model with 40 gig ssd and loaded with
linux. I really like it. The version of linux that comes on it isn't the
best. I currently have eeebuntu <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eeebuntu.org/">http://www.eeebuntu.org/</a> running on it
from an 8 gig sd card. When I get time I am going to install it on the
internal ssd so I can free up the sd card slot on it. I don't miss a dvd
drive on it. There is a neat application that lets you install a linux
iso image to a thumb drive and make it bootable. Its called UNetbootin
and can be found here <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/">http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/</a> I used it to
install eeebuntu on my EeePC and also for creating a usb stick with
clonezilla on it. This is handy since all the library computers will now
boot off of usb devices.
-Ed Liddle
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:18 -0400, Chad Neeper (list) wrote:
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<pre wrap="">LOL! I had to grin when I saw the cases I mentioned earlier. The cases
give you the option of using a standard sized 5.25" CD/DVD-ROM or a
slimline CD/DVD with a 3.5" floppy drive. You're right. Floppies are
long, long obsolete, yet people/businesses/LIBRARIES still want/need
them! How frustrating!
Jim: Good point on the SSDs. The prices are coming down quickly
(YEAH!) and the power draw is much better. I'm anxiously awaiting a
good pricepoint/capacity to buy one for my battery-abusive laptop!
Eric: On the custom building front...you're right. If you build it
yourself you might save a few bucks on the initial tangible cost, but
you have to support it yourself over the long haul. Some libraries
might be able to do it efficiently, but probably not most. If you get
a custom build from a reseller, then there's a pretty good chance the
reseller is going to be a local company and not on par with the Dells
of the world. That could be good or bad, but you still have a single
point for support of the computers, just like buying a Dell. That
obviously doesn't make the decision any easier and I'm certainly not
advocating one over the other. (So good luck there figuring out what's
best for your library! :-) )
Someone: Resellers can still buy oem XP licenses for installation
ONLY on netbook-class (low-powered) computers. Not for higher-powered
computers, though. To get XP on a higher-powered computer, you have to
get Vista Ultimate or Business. You can then downgrade to XP Pro using
media THAT YOU SUPPLY yourself. If you need a CD key for the install,
you can call Microsoft's support and get one to match your media.
That's the theory, anyway. I only build machines for my own clients,
which means that I don't build lots and lots of them. I'll be testing
that backrev license soon though. Keep your fingers crossed for me!
Good luck....And I still like the idea of hanging the computer on the
back of the monitor. I'll have to keep my eyes open for a generic
case/display that can do that.
Chad
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Chad Neeper
Senior Systems Engineer
Level 9 Networks
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866-214-6607 (fax)
-- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
-- Specialized in libraries and schools --
Eric Maynard wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Yeah, they know that people are not going to give those things up
easily so why squeak a few dollars while we make the transition.
Eric Maynard
Head of Information Technology,
Holmes County District Public Library
Millersburg, OH 44654
Email [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]
Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]
Fax [330.674.1938]
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Mann, James H.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:JMann@gcpl.lib.oh.us"><JMann@gcpl.lib.oh.us></a> wrote:
I love it….
And I’m still paying an extra $20 to get floppy drives
pre-installed.
Jim Mann
Technology Coordinator
Greene County Public Library
76 E. Market St.
Xenia Ohio 45385
(937)352-4000 x1210
mailto: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jmann@gcpl.lib.oh.us">jmann@gcpl.lib.oh.us</a>
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going
fast enough." - Mario Andretti.
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Wait a few months maybe, and Windows 7 will be out and it
runs on quite a bit more types of hardware than Vista can.
We are going to have to give up XP sooner or later.
Most manufacturers are starting to offer the option of SSD’s
in there PC’s also and by years end I expect they all will.
I think it was Seagate that last years CES announced a 2
TERAbyte SSD will be out this year, other drive
manufactures have followed suit with announcements. 16 gb
ssds are generally well available.
Jim Kenzig
Network Manager
Cuyahoga County Public Library
Administrative Offices
2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.cuyahogalibrary.org">www.cuyahogalibrary.org</a>
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Maynard
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:00 AM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org">oplintech@oplin.org</a>
Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
Jim,
Good point on the SSDs, but is there anything out there that
runs XP besides netbooks? Also, I'd be curious if anything
like that had built in optical drive options.
I'm sure you could custom build something like this as Chad
was suggesting, but I'm not sure that is the route we want
to take in terms of long term support.
Decisions... decisions.....
Eric Maynard
Head of Information Technology,
Holmes County District Public Library
Millersburg, OH 44654
Email [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]
Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]
Fax [330.674.1938]
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:43 AM, JKENZIG
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:JKENZIG@cuyahogalibrary.org"><JKENZIG@cuyahogalibrary.org></a> wrote:
Remember that Solid State drives(SSD) are also starting to
become the norm and they consume way less power.
Also if you can try and get the VPro chipset. It has
enhanced functionality for remote wakeup and control.
Jim Kenzig
Network Manager
Cuyahoga County Public Library
Administrative Offices
2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.cuyahogalibrary.org">www.cuyahogalibrary.org</a>
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Neeper
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
I don't think that's going to be so true in the very near
future. A week or so ago I was looking into the Mini-ITX
form factor (6.7 x 6.7 inch) motherboards from Intel for a
client that wanted to buy some new computers. Intel has a
few Mini-ITX boards that supports standard desktop
processors. One I'm glancing at now supports the Core2 Quad.
While I'd like to start using the smaller form factor, I
didn't end up suggesting it yet because the selection of
Mini-ITX boards available from my distributors are still
primarily using underpowered processors...just like you
said. I only found one mini-itx board SKU supporting
standard desktop processors at one of my secondary
distributors. I haven't looked for release dates from Intel,
but I think they're probably right around the corner since
they're already being shown on Intel's website in full
detail and my distributors already have at least one SKU.
The mini-itx case I was looking at had a 120W power supply.
If the processor alone takes up to 65W, that leaves 55W for
the motherboard, 2.5" or 3.5" hard drive, and 5.25" or
slimline CD/DVD-ROM drive. That should be just enough power.
Heat could definitely be an issue, as you said, but if the
case is designed well, it could be managed well enough.
The only thing really proprietary is the motherboard itself,
with built-in video, USB, network interface, etc. But that's
really no different than full ATX or mATX style
motherboards.
This is all from a white-box perspective, though. There
probably IS more proprietary components in a Dell, Acer, or
whatever other big names are left out there in this economy!
But then, with those you also get things like being able to
hang the computer on the back of the monitor. I haven't
looked, but I think I'd probably be hard pressed to find
something like that in a whitebox config.
Just my 2 (more) cents.
Chad
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Chad Neeper
Senior Systems Engineer
Level 9 Networks
740-548-8070 (voice)
866-214-6607 (fax)
-- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
-- Specialized in libraries and schools --
Industry Standard Computers wrote:
> The problem with ALL micro computers except laptops are
the power
> supplies are too underrated. The computers run hotter.
>
> Seldom do micros have the newest or faster processors as
buy options.
>
> Next the micro computers are generally 95% proprietary
parts inside
> even the hard drives sometimes are proprietary designs or
interfaces.
>
> People who are rich can afford to replace computers every
3 years or
> whenever the warranty runs out, most others can not.
>
> Butch
>
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