Ed and Chad,<br><br>Am I wrong to assume this pre-existing licensing and media is taking care of in the fee that a Dell, etc. is charging for the downgrades? <br><br>NTS - Need to make sure vendor clarifies the downgrade path.<br>
<br clear="all">Eric Maynard<br>Head of Information Technology,<br>Holmes County District Public Library<br>Millersburg, OH 44654<br><br>Email [<a href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]<br>Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]<br>
Fax [330.674.1938] <br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Ed Liddle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eliddle@marysvillelib.org">eliddle@marysvillelib.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
It was my understanding that to be able to downgrade to XP from vista,<br>
you have to currently have computers running XP. When you install XP on<br>
a new PC with a vista business or ultimate license you can use the XP<br>
numbers off of one of your existing XP computers. If XP won't activate<br>
then you have to call microsoft and once they determine you have a valid<br>
vista license they will give you something to activate xp.<br>
The attached pdf I downloaded from<br>
<a href="http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf" target="_blank">http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf</a><br>
It explains the downgrade rights for vista.<br>
<br>
Also newegg has a 30 gig ssd for 103 bucks with a promo code of<br>
EMCLPMX37 and a $20 mail in rebate. You can find the details of the<br>
drive here. Just research the speed of the ssd drive, some are faster<br>
than others.<br>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227393&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL031909&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL031909-_-SolidStateDisks-_-L5C-_-20227393" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227393&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL031909&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL031909-_-SolidStateDisks-_-L5C-_-20227393</a><br>
<br>
I bought a EeePC. Its the 1000 model with 40 gig ssd and loaded with<br>
linux. I really like it. The version of linux that comes on it isn't the<br>
best. I currently have eeebuntu <a href="http://www.eeebuntu.org/" target="_blank">http://www.eeebuntu.org/</a> running on it<br>
from an 8 gig sd card. When I get time I am going to install it on the<br>
internal ssd so I can free up the sd card slot on it. I don't miss a dvd<br>
drive on it. There is a neat application that lets you install a linux<br>
iso image to a thumb drive and make it bootable. Its called UNetbootin<br>
and can be found here <a href="http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/</a> I used it to<br>
install eeebuntu on my EeePC and also for creating a usb stick with<br>
clonezilla on it. This is handy since all the library computers will now<br>
boot off of usb devices.<br>
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-Ed Liddle<br>
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On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:18 -0400, Chad Neeper (list) wrote:<br>
> LOL! I had to grin when I saw the cases I mentioned earlier. The cases<br>
> give you the option of using a standard sized 5.25" CD/DVD-ROM or a<br>
> slimline CD/DVD with a 3.5" floppy drive. You're right. Floppies are<br>
> long, long obsolete, yet people/businesses/LIBRARIES still want/need<br>
> them! How frustrating!<br>
><br>
> Jim: Good point on the SSDs. The prices are coming down quickly<br>
> (YEAH!) and the power draw is much better. I'm anxiously awaiting a<br>
> good pricepoint/capacity to buy one for my battery-abusive laptop!<br>
><br>
> Eric: On the custom building front...you're right. If you build it<br>
> yourself you might save a few bucks on the initial tangible cost, but<br>
> you have to support it yourself over the long haul. Some libraries<br>
> might be able to do it efficiently, but probably not most. If you get<br>
> a custom build from a reseller, then there's a pretty good chance the<br>
> reseller is going to be a local company and not on par with the Dells<br>
> of the world. That could be good or bad, but you still have a single<br>
> point for support of the computers, just like buying a Dell. That<br>
> obviously doesn't make the decision any easier and I'm certainly not<br>
> advocating one over the other. (So good luck there figuring out what's<br>
> best for your library! :-) )<br>
><br>
> Someone: Resellers can still buy oem XP licenses for installation<br>
> ONLY on netbook-class (low-powered) computers. Not for higher-powered<br>
> computers, though. To get XP on a higher-powered computer, you have to<br>
> get Vista Ultimate or Business. You can then downgrade to XP Pro using<br>
> media THAT YOU SUPPLY yourself. If you need a CD key for the install,<br>
> you can call Microsoft's support and get one to match your media.<br>
> That's the theory, anyway. I only build machines for my own clients,<br>
> which means that I don't build lots and lots of them. I'll be testing<br>
> that backrev license soon though. Keep your fingers crossed for me!<br>
><br>
><br>
> Good luck....And I still like the idea of hanging the computer on the<br>
> back of the monitor. I'll have to keep my eyes open for a generic<br>
> case/display that can do that.<br>
><br>
> Chad<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----------------------<br>
> Chad Neeper<br>
> Senior Systems Engineer<br>
><br>
> Level 9 Networks<br>
> 740-548-8070 (voice)<br>
> 866-214-6607 (fax)<br>
><br>
> -- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --<br>
> -- Specialized in libraries and schools --<br>
><br>
><br>
> Eric Maynard wrote:<br>
> > Yeah, they know that people are not going to give those things up<br>
> > easily so why squeak a few dollars while we make the transition.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Eric Maynard<br>
> > Head of Information Technology,<br>
> > Holmes County District Public Library<br>
> > Millersburg, OH 44654<br>
> ><br>
> > Email [<a href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]<br>
> > Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]<br>
> > Fax [330.674.1938]<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Mann, James H.<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:JMann@gcpl.lib.oh.us">JMann@gcpl.lib.oh.us</a>> wrote:<br>
> > I love it….<br>
> ><br>
> > And I’m still paying an extra $20 to get floppy drives<br>
> > pre-installed.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Jim Mann<br>
> ><br>
> > Technology Coordinator<br>
> ><br>
> > Greene County Public Library<br>
> ><br>
> > 76 E. Market St.<br>
> ><br>
> > Xenia Ohio 45385<br>
> ><br>
> > (937)352-4000 x1210<br>
> ><br>
> > mailto: <a href="mailto:jmann@gcpl.lib.oh.us">jmann@gcpl.lib.oh.us</a><br>
> ><br>
> > "If everything seems under control, you're just not going<br>
> > fast enough." - Mario Andretti.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a><br>
> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>] On Behalf Of JKENZIG<br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:13 AM<br>
> > To: Eric Maynard; <a href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org">oplintech@oplin.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Wait a few months maybe, and Windows 7 will be out and it<br>
> > runs on quite a bit more types of hardware than Vista can.<br>
> > We are going to have to give up XP sooner or later.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Most manufacturers are starting to offer the option of SSD’s<br>
> > in there PC’s also and by years end I expect they all will.<br>
> > I think it was Seagate that last years CES announced a 2<br>
> > TERAbyte SSD will be out this year, other drive<br>
> > manufactures have followed suit with announcements. 16 gb<br>
> > ssds are generally well available.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Jim Kenzig<br>
> > Network Manager<br>
> > Cuyahoga County Public Library<br>
> ><br>
> > Administrative Offices<br>
> ><br>
> > 2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://www.cuyahogalibrary.org" target="_blank">www.cuyahogalibrary.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a><br>
> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>] On Behalf Of Eric<br>
> > Maynard<br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:00 AM<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org">oplintech@oplin.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Jim,<br>
> ><br>
> > Good point on the SSDs, but is there anything out there that<br>
> > runs XP besides netbooks? Also, I'd be curious if anything<br>
> > like that had built in optical drive options.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm sure you could custom build something like this as Chad<br>
> > was suggesting, but I'm not sure that is the route we want<br>
> > to take in terms of long term support.<br>
> ><br>
> > Decisions... decisions.....<br>
> ><br>
> > Eric Maynard<br>
> > Head of Information Technology,<br>
> > Holmes County District Public Library<br>
> > Millersburg, OH 44654<br>
> ><br>
> > Email [<a href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]<br>
> > Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]<br>
> > Fax [330.674.1938]<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:43 AM, JKENZIG<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:JKENZIG@cuyahogalibrary.org">JKENZIG@cuyahogalibrary.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Remember that Solid State drives(SSD) are also starting to<br>
> > become the norm and they consume way less power.<br>
> > Also if you can try and get the VPro chipset. It has<br>
> > enhanced functionality for remote wakeup and control.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Jim Kenzig<br>
> > Network Manager<br>
> > Cuyahoga County Public Library<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Administrative Offices<br>
> > 2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728<br>
> > <a href="http://www.cuyahogalibrary.org" target="_blank">www.cuyahogalibrary.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a><br>
> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>] On Behalf Of Chad<br>
> > Neeper<br>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:46 PM<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org">oplintech@oplin.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases<br>
> ><br>
> > I don't think that's going to be so true in the very near<br>
> > future. A week or so ago I was looking into the Mini-ITX<br>
> > form factor (6.7 x 6.7 inch) motherboards from Intel for a<br>
> > client that wanted to buy some new computers. Intel has a<br>
> > few Mini-ITX boards that supports standard desktop<br>
> > processors. One I'm glancing at now supports the Core2 Quad.<br>
> > While I'd like to start using the smaller form factor, I<br>
> > didn't end up suggesting it yet because the selection of<br>
> > Mini-ITX boards available from my distributors are still<br>
> > primarily using underpowered processors...just like you<br>
> > said. I only found one mini-itx board SKU supporting<br>
> > standard desktop processors at one of my secondary<br>
> > distributors. I haven't looked for release dates from Intel,<br>
> > but I think they're probably right around the corner since<br>
> > they're already being shown on Intel's website in full<br>
> > detail and my distributors already have at least one SKU.<br>
> ><br>
> > The mini-itx case I was looking at had a 120W power supply.<br>
> > If the processor alone takes up to 65W, that leaves 55W for<br>
> > the motherboard, 2.5" or 3.5" hard drive, and 5.25" or<br>
> > slimline CD/DVD-ROM drive. That should be just enough power.<br>
> > Heat could definitely be an issue, as you said, but if the<br>
> > case is designed well, it could be managed well enough.<br>
> > The only thing really proprietary is the motherboard itself,<br>
> > with built-in video, USB, network interface, etc. But that's<br>
> > really no different than full ATX or mATX style<br>
> > motherboards.<br>
> ><br>
> > This is all from a white-box perspective, though. There<br>
> > probably IS more proprietary components in a Dell, Acer, or<br>
> > whatever other big names are left out there in this economy!<br>
> > But then, with those you also get things like being able to<br>
> > hang the computer on the back of the monitor. I haven't<br>
> > looked, but I think I'd probably be hard pressed to find<br>
> > something like that in a whitebox config.<br>
> ><br>
> > Just my 2 (more) cents.<br>
> ><br>
> > Chad<br>
> ><br>
> > -----------------------<br>
> > Chad Neeper<br>
> > Senior Systems Engineer<br>
> ><br>
> > Level 9 Networks<br>
> > 740-548-8070 (voice)<br>
> > 866-214-6607 (fax)<br>
> ><br>
> > -- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --<br>
> > -- Specialized in libraries and schools --<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Industry Standard Computers wrote:<br>
> > > The problem with ALL micro computers except laptops are<br>
> > the power<br>
> > > supplies are too underrated. The computers run hotter.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Seldom do micros have the newest or faster processors as<br>
> > buy options.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Next the micro computers are generally 95% proprietary<br>
> > parts inside<br>
> > > even the hard drives sometimes are proprietary designs or<br>
> > interfaces.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > People who are rich can afford to replace computers every<br>
> > 3 years or<br>
> > > whenever the warranty runs out, most others can not.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Butch<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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