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I agree w/Ron. Dell shouldn't be charging anything extra for the WinXP
disk. The downgrade right is provided by the Vista Business or Ultimate
license and it's in Dell's best interest to give you the option of XP
or Vista with no extra costs.<br>
<br>
Chad<br>
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Chad Neeper
Senior Systems Engineer
Level 9 Networks
740-548-8070 (voice)
866-214-6607 (fax)
-- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
-- Specialized in libraries and schools --</pre>
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<br>
Ron Woods wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Eric:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
thought I would chime in here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Yes
Dell should include this fee. Most of the Business class PC’s
you buy from Dell now include both a Windows XP and a Windows Vista
Disk with
XP Preinstalled on most cases. They provide both disks with each PC and
you can
upgrade to Vista when your ready to do so. We recently purchased 2
Vostro 220s
and this is how they came. Best wishes!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Computer
Services Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">St.
Clairsville Public Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf
Of </b>Eric Maynard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 23, 2009 11:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org">oplintech@oplin.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Ed and Chad,<br>
<br>
Am I wrong to assume this pre-existing licensing and media is taking
care of in
the fee that a Dell, etc. is charging for the downgrades? <br>
<br>
NTS - Need to make sure vendor clarifies the downgrade path.<br>
<br clear="all">
Eric Maynard<br>
Head of Information Technology,<br>
Holmes County District Public Library<br>
Millersburg, OH 44654<br>
<br>
Email [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]<br>
Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]<br>
Fax [330.674.1938] <br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Ed Liddle <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eliddle@marysvillelib.org">eliddle@marysvillelib.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It was my understanding that to be able to
downgrade to XP
from vista,<br>
you have to currently have computers running XP. When you install XP on<br>
a new PC with a vista business or ultimate license you can use the XP<br>
numbers off of one of your existing XP computers. If XP won't activate<br>
then you have to call microsoft and once they determine you have a valid<br>
vista license they will give you something to activate xp.<br>
The attached pdf I downloaded from<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf"
target="_blank">http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf</a><br>
It explains the downgrade rights for vista.<br>
<br>
Also newegg has a 30 gig ssd for 103 bucks with a promo code of<br>
EMCLPMX37 and a $20 mail in rebate. You can find the details of the<br>
drive here. Just research the speed of the ssd drive, some are faster<br>
than others.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227393&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL031909&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL031909-_-SolidStateDisks-_-L5C-_-20227393"
target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227393&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL031909&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL031909-_-SolidStateDisks-_-L5C-_-20227393</a><br>
<br>
I bought a EeePC. Its the 1000 model with 40 gig ssd and loaded with<br>
linux. I really like it. The version of linux that comes on it isn't the<br>
best. I currently have eeebuntu <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.eeebuntu.org/" target="_blank">http://www.eeebuntu.org/</a>
running on it<br>
from an 8 gig sd card. When I get time I am going to install it on the<br>
internal ssd so I can free up the sd card slot on it. I don't miss a dvd<br>
drive on it. There is a neat application that lets you install a linux<br>
iso image to a thumb drive and make it bootable. Its called UNetbootin<br>
and can be found here <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/</a>
I used it to<br>
install eeebuntu on my EeePC and also for creating a usb stick with<br>
clonezilla on it. This is handy since all the library computers will now<br>
boot off of usb devices.<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
-Ed Liddle</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:18 -0400, Chad Neeper (list) wrote:<br>
> LOL! I had to grin when I saw the cases I mentioned earlier. The
cases<br>
> give you the option of using a standard sized 5.25" CD/DVD-ROM or a<br>
> slimline CD/DVD with a 3.5" floppy drive. You're right. Floppies
are<br>
> long, long obsolete, yet people/businesses/LIBRARIES still
want/need<br>
> them! How frustrating!<br>
><br>
> Jim: Good point on the SSDs. The prices are coming down quickly<br>
> (YEAH!) and the power draw is much better. I'm anxiously awaiting a<br>
> good pricepoint/capacity to buy one for my battery-abusive laptop!<br>
><br>
> Eric: On the custom building front...you're right. If you build it<br>
> yourself you might save a few bucks on the initial tangible cost,
but<br>
> you have to support it yourself over the long haul. Some libraries<br>
> might be able to do it efficiently, but probably not most. If you
get<br>
> a custom build from a reseller, then there's a pretty good chance
the<br>
> reseller is going to be a local company and not on par with the
Dells<br>
> of the world. That could be good or bad, but you still have a
single<br>
> point for support of the computers, just like buying a Dell. That<br>
> obviously doesn't make the decision any easier and I'm certainly
not<br>
> advocating one over the other. (So good luck there figuring out
what's<br>
> best for your library! :-) )<br>
><br>
> Someone: Resellers can still buy oem XP licenses for installation<br>
> ONLY on netbook-class (low-powered) computers. Not for
higher-powered<br>
> computers, though. To get XP on a higher-powered computer, you
have to<br>
> get Vista Ultimate or Business. You can then downgrade to XP Pro
using<br>
> media THAT YOU SUPPLY yourself. If you need a CD key for the
install,<br>
> you can call Microsoft's support and get one to match your media.<br>
> That's the theory, anyway. I only build machines for my own
clients,<br>
> which means that I don't build lots and lots of them. I'll be
testing<br>
> that backrev license soon though. Keep your fingers crossed for me!<br>
><br>
><br>
> Good luck....And I still like the idea of hanging the computer on
the<br>
> back of the monitor. I'll have to keep my eyes open for a generic<br>
> case/display that can do that.<br>
><br>
> Chad<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----------------------<br>
> Chad Neeper<br>
> Senior Systems Engineer<br>
><br>
> Level 9 Networks<br>
> 740-548-8070 (voice)<br>
> 866-214-6607 (fax)<br>
><br>
> -- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --<br>
> -- Specialized in libraries and schools --<br>
><br>
><br>
> Eric Maynard wrote:<br>
> > Yeah, they know that people are not going to give those
things up<br>
> > easily so why squeak a few dollars while we make the
transition.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Eric Maynard<br>
> > Head of Information Technology,<br>
> > Holmes County District Public Library<br>
> > Millersburg, OH 44654<br>
> ><br>
> > Email [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]<br>
> > Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]<br>
> > Fax [330.674.1938]<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Mann, James H.<br>
> > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:JMann@gcpl.lib.oh.us">JMann@gcpl.lib.oh.us</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > I love it….<br>
> ><br>
> > And I’m still paying an extra $20 to get
floppy drives<br>
> > pre-installed.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Jim Mann<br>
> ><br>
> > Technology Coordinator<br>
> ><br>
> > Greene County Public Library<br>
> ><br>
> > 76 E. Market St.<br>
> ><br>
> > Xenia Ohio 45385<br>
> ><br>
> > (937)352-4000 x1210<br>
> ><br>
> > mailto: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jmann@gcpl.lib.oh.us">jmann@gcpl.lib.oh.us</a><br>
> ><br>
> > "If everything seems under control,
you're just not going<br>
> > fast enough." - Mario Andretti.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a><br>
> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>]
On
Behalf Of JKENZIG<br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:13 AM<br>
> > To: Eric Maynard; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org">oplintech@oplin.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access
Computer purchases<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Wait a few months maybe, and Windows 7
will be out and it<br>
> > runs on quite a bit more types of
hardware than Vista can.<br>
> > We are going to have to give up XP
sooner or later.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Most manufacturers are starting to offer
the option of SSD’s<br>
> > in there PC’s also and by years end
I expect they all will.<br>
> > I think it was Seagate that last years
CES announced a 2<br>
> > TERAbyte SSD will be out this year,
other drive<br>
> > manufactures have followed suit with
announcements. 16 gb<br>
> > ssds are generally well available.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Jim Kenzig<br>
> > Network Manager<br>
> > Cuyahoga County Public Library<br>
> ><br>
> > Administrative Offices<br>
> ><br>
> > 2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728<br>
> ><br>
> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cuyahogalibrary.org" target="_blank">www.cuyahogalibrary.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a><br>
> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>]
On
Behalf Of Eric<br>
> > Maynard<br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:00 AM<br>
> > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org">oplintech@oplin.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access
Computer purchases<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Jim,<br>
> ><br>
> > Good point on the SSDs, but is there
anything out there that<br>
> > runs XP besides netbooks? Also, I'd
be curious if anything<br>
> > like that had built in optical drive
options.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm sure you could custom build something
like this as Chad<br>
> > was suggesting, but I'm not sure that is
the route we want<br>
> > to take in terms of long term support.<br>
> ><br>
> > Decisions... decisions.....<br>
> ><br>
> > Eric Maynard<br>
> > Head of Information Technology,<br>
> > Holmes County District Public Library<br>
> > Millersburg, OH 44654<br>
> ><br>
> > Email [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emaynard@holmeslib.org">emaynard@holmeslib.org</a>]<br>
> > Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]<br>
> > Fax [330.674.1938]<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:43 AM, JKENZIG<br>
> > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:JKENZIG@cuyahogalibrary.org">JKENZIG@cuyahogalibrary.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Remember that Solid State drives(SSD) are
also starting to<br>
> > become the norm and they consume way less
power.<br>
> > Also if you can try and get the VPro
chipset. It has<br>
> > enhanced functionality for remote wakeup
and control.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Jim Kenzig<br>
> > Network Manager<br>
> > Cuyahoga County Public Library<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Administrative Offices<br>
> > 2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728<br>
> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cuyahogalibrary.org" target="_blank">www.cuyahogalibrary.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a><br>
> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>]
On
Behalf Of Chad<br>
> > Neeper<br>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:46 PM<br>
> > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oplintech@oplin.org">oplintech@oplin.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access
Computer purchases<br>
> ><br>
> > I don't think that's going to be so true in
the very near<br>
> > future. A week or so ago I was looking
into the Mini-ITX<br>
> > form factor (6.7 x 6.7 inch) motherboards
from Intel for a<br>
> > client that wanted to buy some new
computers. Intel has a<br>
> > few Mini-ITX boards that supports
standard desktop<br>
> > processors. One I'm glancing at now
supports the Core2 Quad.<br>
> > While I'd like to start using the smaller
form factor, I<br>
> > didn't end up suggesting it yet because
the selection of<br>
> > Mini-ITX boards available from my
distributors are still<br>
> > primarily using underpowered
processors...just like you<br>
> > said. I only found one mini-itx board SKU
supporting<br>
> > standard desktop processors at one of my
secondary<br>
> > distributors. I haven't looked for
release dates from Intel,<br>
> > but I think they're probably right around
the corner since<br>
> > they're already being shown on Intel's
website in full<br>
> > detail and my distributors already have
at least one SKU.<br>
> ><br>
> > The mini-itx case I was looking at had a
120W power supply.<br>
> > If the processor alone takes up to 65W,
that leaves 55W for<br>
> > the motherboard, 2.5" or 3.5"
hard drive, and 5.25" or<br>
> > slimline CD/DVD-ROM drive. That should be
just enough power.<br>
> > Heat could definitely be an issue, as you
said, but if the<br>
> > case is designed well, it could be
managed well enough.<br>
> > The only thing really proprietary is the
motherboard itself,<br>
> > with built-in video, USB, network
interface, etc. But that's<br>
> > really no different than full ATX or mATX
style<br>
> > motherboards.<br>
> ><br>
> > This is all from a white-box perspective,
though. There<br>
> > probably IS more proprietary components
in a Dell, Acer, or<br>
> > whatever other big names are left out
there in this economy!<br>
> > But then, with those you also get things
like being able to<br>
> > hang the computer on the back of the monitor.
I haven't<br>
> > looked, but I think I'd probably be hard
pressed to find<br>
> > something like that in a whitebox config.<br>
> ><br>
> > Just my 2 (more) cents.<br>
> ><br>
> > Chad<br>
> ><br>
> > -----------------------<br>
> > Chad Neeper<br>
> > Senior Systems Engineer<br>
> ><br>
> > Level 9 Networks<br>
> > 740-548-8070 (voice)<br>
> > 866-214-6607 (fax)<br>
> ><br>
> > -- Full LAN/WAN consulting
services --<br>
> > -- Specialized in libraries and schools
--<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Industry Standard Computers wrote:<br>
> > > The problem with ALL micro computers
except laptops are<br>
> > the power<br>
> > > supplies are too underrated. The
computers run hotter.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Seldom do micros have the newest or
faster processors as<br>
> > buy options.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Next the micro computers are
generally 95% proprietary<br>
> > parts inside<br>
> > > even the hard drives sometimes are
proprietary designs or<br>
> > interfaces.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > People who are rich can afford to
replace computers every<br>
> > 3 years or<br>
> > > whenever the warranty runs out, most
others can not.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Butch<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >
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