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Jim's insight is welcomed additional information, being in depth for a
specific library and suggesting different options.<br>
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The speakers from the 3 featured companies did not provide prices.<br>
DMC plans to provide us more information and a preliminary quote.<br>
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Item 1 (Bandwidth monitoring and control)<br>
Toledo-Lucas County Public Library uses it .<br>
A price I google'd ($2800) seemed reasonable for the benefit.<br>
But the price was for low usage and also may be wrong.<br>
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Item 2 (Deduplication backup} is probably expensive, as Jim mentioned.<br>
But, still interesting to contemplate.<br>
Imagine, 30 minute backups. Our full backup takes 10 hours<br>
<br>
Item 3 (Virtualization without a client OS) is scheduled for release
this year according to the speaker.<br>
It probably will be expensive, but interesting to dream about.<br>
I specifically did not mention company names of the presenters.<br>
However.... <br>
This company was VMware so details should eventually show up.<br>
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<br>
OUR VIRTUAL SERVER ~ For what it's worth.<br>
<br>
We have had one for 2 1/2 years. So far it just chugs along.<br>
It requires maintenance, updates, etc. but much less time than the rest
of our PC's.<br>
Probably due to the type of guests, network setup, quantity of PC's,
etc.<br>
<br>
The server currently has 8 guests.<br>
IPcop (With DansGuardian)<br>
ZoneCD (for wireless policy acceptance)<br>
openSUSE website, blogs, etc.<br>
openSUSE Education (Like Edubuntu)<br>
Novell 5.1 (File Server)<br>
WXP admin console<br>
W2003 Server (TLC for CIRC & PAC)<br>
NIMA (Network Monitoring)<br>
<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R. W. (Bob) Neeper Cell: (740)-407-3572
Community Library
44 Burrer Dr.
Sunbury, Oh 43074
Tel: (740)-965-3901</pre>
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JKENZIG wrote:
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">We did
some pricing of Item 2 last year on several of these solutions and
while the pluses look good, actual solutions are VERY expensive and for
small organizations I would contend they are not cost effective. (and
probably aren't for larger ones either at this point in time) </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">Item 3 virtual desktops
(VDI) solutions are very expensive once you pay licensing etc. unless
you use all open source it will get expensive and just as much
management is involved, only in a different way. </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">Remember even virtual
servers, require just as much management as a real iron server also.
You still have to worry about security, updates, antivirus etc. A lot
of apps don't scale well under virtualization also. I have never
heard of running applications without some sort of OS, did they specify
what product exists that does it? I specialize in this stuff and follow
the industry carefully. You need at least a browser to run an app in
and to run a browser you need an OS. (and JAVA is an OS if that is what
they mean) I would really like to know if they mentioned a product as I
didn't gleen much from their site. . </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">Something we are looking
at with virtualization is Citrix Provisioning Server for
desktops. (PVS) It is a different beast than virtual desktops in that
you are streaming the OS to the desktop and all processes and the OS
are then still run at the desktop. Benefits are that you are managing
only a single or a couple Virtual Hard Disk (vhd) images in the data
center. Versus with VDI all of the virtual machines run on a server in
your data center and you are managing possibly hundreds of virtual
machines in the data center. If you are a Microsoft shop VDI requires
extra licensing and also many extra servers. If we did VDI our costs
would approach $1 million after servers, licensing, software etc. and a
yearly maintenance fee. Cost for PVS is closer to about $80,000.
Quite a difference. </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">Regards,</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">Jim Kenzig</font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oplintech-bounces@oplin.org">oplintech-bounces@oplin.org</a>
on behalf of Bob Neeper<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thu 4/23/2009 12:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Oplintech@Oplin.Org">Oplintech@Oplin.Org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Oplinlist@Oplin.Org">Oplinlist@Oplin.Org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [OPLINTECH] Recent Technology Symposium Event in
Toledo<br>
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<div>Chauncey Montgomery (director) and I attended a symposium at the
Toledo-Lucas County Public Library on 4/15 <br>
A no charge, no pressure event with speakers from 3 companies and a
case study by TLCPL <br>
In my opinion, an event well worth attending should you have the
opportunity. <br>
<br>
DMC Technology Group Inc, in Toledo, held it to showcase 3 interesting
technologies for use in libraries <br>
All 3 have the potential to streamline operation and save money. <br>
<br>
A short summary (of sorts) on the covered items. <br>
<br>
1) Optimize network bandwidth, monitor use, control streaming media and
social networking sites, accelerate mission critical traffic. <br>
Item of interest: <br>
You don't necessarily need to increase bandwidth, possibly just
control the use. <br>
<br>
2) Backup and recover solutions using data deduplication technology <br>
Items of interest: <br>
No tapes <br>
Very substantial reduction in backup time utilizing block mode (faster
than incremental) <br>
Quick restore of files <br>
Long term backup retention <br>
<br>
3) Virtualization solutions <br>
Items of interest: <br>
Virtual desktops, <br>
Live migration of virtual machines between servers <br>
Running programs without an operating system. <br>
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If interested, additional information may be obtained through: <br>
<br>
Website <font size="-0"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.dmctechnologygroup.com/"><font face="sans-serif"
size="2">http://www.dmctechnologygroup.com/</font></a></font><br>
Email <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:eric.lacy@DMCtechgroup.com">eric.lacy@DMCtechgroup.com</a>
<br>
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face="sans-serif" size="2"><br>
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R. W. (Bob) Neeper Cell: (740)-407-3572
Community Library
44 Burrer Dr.
Sunbury, Oh 43074
Tel: (740)-965-3901</pre>
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