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Any conflict with the Records Retention Policy ?<br>
It mentions State e-mail accounts.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://library.ohio.gov/StateLibrarian/aboutus/policies/records">https://library.ohio.gov/StateLibrarian/aboutus/policies/records</a><br>
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Bob<br>
R. W. (Bob) Neeper
(Retired Toledo Scale Engineer & Computer Guy)
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/9/2015 12:34 PM, Stephen Hedges
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<div dir="ltr">It seems like lotsa folks have already set up gmail
accounts, contacted their domain host about email, etc., etc. So
to avoid confusion, IF we get a temporary, simple mail server
set up, we'd probably ask folks to contact us and request a
temporary account.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Chad
Neeper <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cneeper@level9networks.com" target="_blank">cneeper@level9networks.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Didn't think of that. Some accounts may have
been hidden, though. I often will mark my list membership
as unpublished, so my own e-mail wouldn't necessarily show
up. You'd also have to weed out the <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://non-oplin.org"
target="_blank">non-oplin.org</a> addresses, but that
could be done.
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<div>______________________________<br>
<b>Chad Neeper</b><br>
<font size="1">Senior Systems Engineer</font><br>
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<b>Level 9 Networks</b><br>
<font size="1"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:740-548-8070" value="+17405488070"
target="_blank">740-548-8070</a> (voice)<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:866-214-6607" value="+18662146607"
target="_blank">866-214-6607</a> (fax)</font><br>
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<font size="1"><i>Full IT/Computer consulting
services -- Specialized in libraries and
schools</i></font><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:15
PM, Bob Neeper <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:neeperro@gmail.com" target="_blank">neeperro@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Glad I'm
'retired'.<br>
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Chad's too kind. My suggestion.<br>
<br>
You can get 500 + accounts quickly from the list
servers when you log in .<br>
Probably most active people watch some of the
lists.<br>
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<pre cols="80">R. W. (Bob) Neeper
(Retired Toledo Scale Engineer & Computer Guy)
Volunteering at:
Community Library
44 Burrer Dr.
Sunbury, Oh 43074
Tel: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%28740%29-965-3901" value="+17409653901" target="_blank">(740)-965-3901</a></pre>
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<div>On 3/9/2015 11:46 AM, Chad Neeper
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Yeah we thought of that to.
Figured you won't know the accounts. The
only thing I could come up with was to
post a message on the website asking for
the directors to get a list of their
currently active accounts and forward it
to you. The 2600 might whittle down a
little in the process. Not ideal, but
something.</div>
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<div>______________________________<br>
<b>Chad Neeper</b><br>
<font size="1">Senior Systems
Engineer</font><br>
<br>
<b>Level 9 Networks</b><br>
<font size="1"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:740-548-8070"
value="+17405488070"
target="_blank">740-548-8070</a>
(voice)<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:866-214-6607"
value="+18662146607"
target="_blank">866-214-6607</a>
(fax)</font><br>
<br>
<font size="1"><i>Full
IT/Computer consulting
services -- Specialized in
libraries and schools</i></font><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 9,
2015 at 11:43 AM, Karl Jendretzky <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:karljendretzky@gmail.com"
target="_blank">karljendretzky@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">Yeah I'm
with you on all those points, and
haven't ruled out the idea<br>
of a failover mail server. Tricky
part is that I know which domains we<br>
need from the Barracuda but I don't
know the 2600 user accounts.<br>
<br>
It's not ruled out.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Karl Jendretzky<br>
IT Manager - Ohio Public Library
Information Network<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28614%29%20728-1515"
value="+16147281515"
target="_blank">(614) 728-1515</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:karl@oplin.org"
target="_blank">karl@oplin.org</a><br>
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On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:30 AM,
Chad Neeper <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cneeper@level9networks.com"
target="_blank">cneeper@level9networks.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Whaaaat? You mean you
can't turn water into wine? You
don't have unlimited<br>
> resources? You can't turn
base metals into gold? My world
has just been<br>
> shattered.<br>
><br>
> I think probably we all
totally understand where you're
coming from.<br>
> Personally, I greatly
appreciate all of the hard work
you AND the rest of<br>
> the team have done over the
years. You all deserve an extra
vacation and pay<br>
> raise. Or at least a nap.<br>
><br>
> From a library point of
view, I'm hoping that you set up
another mail<br>
> server. Big picture, I'd
strongly suspect the amount of
time and money saved<br>
> is worth it vs. each
individual library having to
deal with it. It stinks<br>
> for OPLIN Support, but it's
hugely useful, especially for
smaller libraries.<br>
><br>
> You'll hate this idea too
(don't shoot the messenger), but
someone suggested<br>
> to me just now that perhaps
you could set up another mail
server in the<br>
> short term and re-create
the accounts with the
understanding that all mail<br>
> is gone and this may only
be a temporary interim solution.
It would be a<br>
> huge pia for Support to
recreate accounts, but it would
go a long way<br>
> towards keeping business
running at individual libraries.
You could still<br>
> decide not to continue the
service going forward, but it
would help reduce<br>
> the emergency thrust upon
the libraries and allow them to
more gracefully<br>
> switch to another system.<br>
><br>
> Chad<br>
>
______________________________<br>
> Chad Neeper<br>
> Senior Systems Engineer<br>
><br>
> Level 9 Networks<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:740-548-8070"
value="+17405488070"
target="_blank">740-548-8070</a>
(voice)<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:866-214-6607"
value="+18662146607"
target="_blank">866-214-6607</a>
(fax)<br>
><br>
> Full IT/Computer consulting
services -- Specialized in
libraries and schools<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at
10:41 AM, Karl Jendretzky <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:karljendretzky@gmail.com"
target="_blank">karljendretzky@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Well, frankly trying to
host mail with limited staff is
what got us in<br>
>> this spot in the first
place. OPLIN is 5 people, and
I'm the only<br>
>> sysadmin we have. I've
been mostly awake since 2:45am
on Friday, and<br>
>> though I may be
overruled at some point I hope
that we don't offer<br>
>> mail any more. Even
when working properly it strains
the staff an<br>
>> unnecessary amount.<br>
>><br>
>> Currently I'm in talks
with the mail group with the
State of Ohio.<br>
>> They work with
Microsoft to provide email to
state agencies. I'd like<br>
>> to have a info sheet we
can give to libraries outlining
how they can<br>
>> move onto the state's
mail system, but initial
response from the state<br>
>> indicates their team
might not be able to handle the
load. I've got a<br>
>> conference call
tomorrow morning with the state
mail team, and should<br>
>> know more after.<br>
>><br>
>> -Karl<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at
10:30 AM, Chad Neeper <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cneeper@level9networks.com"
target="_blank">cneeper@level9networks.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > Ouch. Thanks for
the info.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > That's a sinking
feeling when you're in the
middle of it and watching<br>
>> > the<br>
>> > server not do what
it's supposed to. I don't wish
that feeling on<br>
>> > anyone!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > This is probably
early and you may not be ready
to announce, but any<br>
>> > thoughts to set up
another mail server and web
front-end available to<br>
>> > all<br>
>> > libraries, or are
you getting out of that game
entirely? Knowing that<br>
>> > will<br>
>> > help to decide
what to do.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks,<br>
>> > Chad<br>
>> ><br>
>> >
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>> > Chad Neeper<br>
>> > Senior Systems
Engineer<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Level 9 Networks<br>
>> > <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:740-548-8070"
value="+17405488070"
target="_blank">740-548-8070</a>
(voice)<br>
>> > <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:866-214-6607"
value="+18662146607"
target="_blank">866-214-6607</a>
(fax)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Full IT/Computer
consulting services --
Specialized in libraries and<br>
>> > schools<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Mon, Mar 9,
2015 at 10:09 AM, Karl
Jendretzky<br>
>> > <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:karljendretzky@gmail.com"
target="_blank">karljendretzky@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Everything
besides the Zimbra server is
running properly.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The Zimbra
server was running Ubuntu 10,
which is reaching end of life<br>
>> >> and<br>
>> >> needed
updated. The server was pushed
to Ubuntu 14, and a patch was
run<br>
>> >> on<br>
>> >> Zimbra to
bring it up to date, but after
the patching finished the 80GB<br>
>> >> LDAP<br>
>> >> database was
corrupted. Attempts to fix the
corrupted database failed.<br>
>> >> Backups were
restored, and a small patch was
attempted to bring it up<br>
>> >> to<br>
>> >> U14, but once
again there were LDAP issues. A
new Ubuntu 10 mail server<br>
>> >> was<br>
>> >> built, and the
exact version of Zimbra for the
backups was installed,<br>
>> >> and<br>
>> >> the backup
data was put in place, but
failed. Each step was slightly<br>
>> >> different
errors.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> My thought is
that the Zimbra server went
through many updates through<br>
>> >> it's life, and
at some point some of the data
went out of spec just<br>
>> >> enough<br>
>> >> that it could
only ever run on the exact U10
environment that it had.<br>
>> >> That<br>
>> >> U10
environment no longer exists.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Zimbra is a
nasty beast. It uses many
packages, but none are the<br>
>> >> repository
default packages. All are
bundled with Zimbra, and all
work<br>
>> >> just<br>
>> >> the way Zimbra
wants them to, meaning that
support resources are<br>
>> >> sparse.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The only thing
that the Zimbra server was doing
was personal email<br>
>> >> accounts.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> -Karl
Jendretzky<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>
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>> --<br>
>> -Karl<br>
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