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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank you Karl. This gives me something to look into in addition to/beyond endlessly looking through blacklists. By the by Chad, I got a good laugh about the end of your response,
however, I also don’t think I’ve ever seen this behavior from any of the oplin lists, and thinking about what Karl said, both lists where I’ve had this problem are hosted by the same entity, which definitely gives me something to go on.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">To make sure I am specific enough to Chad’s question, the behavior is like this:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If I send an email to the list from O365, many/most recipients receive the email, some never do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If I send an email to the list from gmail, everyone receives it every time I have tried.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I know their list is sending them as “From
<a href="mailto:listservname@listservdomain.org">listservname@listservdomain.org</a> on behalf of yada yada yada” so they are at least partially doing that correctly..
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Again, thank you Karl.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Have a good everyone.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Joseph Knueven, Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Germantown Public Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">51 North Plum Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Germantown, OH 45327<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> OPLINTECH [mailto:oplintech-bounces@lists.oplin.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karl Jendretzky via OPLINTECH<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> oplintech@lists.oplin.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OPLINTECH] email not delivered<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My bet is that the problem lies in the way that the listserv server is sending the mail, and how that interacts with the anti-spoofing protections for your domain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Microsoft hosted mail will be using SPF protection to white list allowed sender ips, and DKIM to sign outgoing emails with a private key so that receiving servers can verify that the message hasn't been modified in transit.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The kicker with listservs is that they often send the email "From" your address (against your SPF rules) and then slightly modify the email before redistributing it (breaking the DKIM signature).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On the OPLIN listservs I've modified the server behavior so that the "From" address is "<a href="mailto:oplintech@lists.oplin.org" target="_blank">oplintech@lists.oplin.org</a>", and the DKIM signature is scrubbed from the email (which
still technically passes, but is considered fishy).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Karl Jendretzky<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><a href="tel:(614)%20728-5252" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(614) 728-5252</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:karl@oplin.ohio.gov" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">karl@oplin.ohio.gov</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Joe Knueven via OPLINTECH <<a href="mailto:oplintech@lists.oplin.org" target="_blank">oplintech@lists.oplin.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I’ve noticed a situation and I was wondering if anyone else has seen this/has a good idea for a solution.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have found over the last year or more that when I send emails from my library account to some lists that some individuals on the
lists are not seeing my emails, only the replies to them from other list members.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In the two particular cases where I am certain this has happened, both individuals who were not getting the originals were in academic
libraries at relatively small colleges. In one of those two cases, the recipient I know had more general technical knowledge than I do, which makes me think this isn’t just people not knowing how to find their spam folder.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My email is setup through Microsoft’s Office 365 Educational (I think they call the level “E1”), which is freely available to public
libraries level. In the most recent case, I have looked at least a few blacklist searches for our domain as well as our primary oplin IP address, and both show up as not listed.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Does anyone have any other thoughts on what is going on, or how to solve this? I know that I could setup a gmail account and everyone
would see it, but I hate to dump a portion of my work communications onto a personal account or maintain multiple work email accounts because of some vagary with O365..
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thank you for any insights. Have a good day.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Germantown Public Library</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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