[OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
Chad Neeper (list)
cneeper at level9networks.com
Thu Mar 19 18:45:55 EDT 2009
That's my understanding too. That's why the end used is supposed to
provide the WinXP media.
A 30GB SSD is too small for my own needs, but it's a great price for
anyone considering SSDs with those specs. Definitely worth a look.
Chad
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Chad Neeper
Senior Systems Engineer
Level 9 Networks
740-548-8070 (voice)
866-214-6607 (fax)
-- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
-- Specialized in libraries and schools --
Ed Liddle wrote:
> It was my understanding that to be able to downgrade to XP from vista,
> you have to currently have computers running XP. When you install XP on
> a new PC with a vista business or ultimate license you can use the XP
> numbers off of one of your existing XP computers. If XP won't activate
> then you have to call microsoft and once they determine you have a valid
> vista license they will give you something to activate xp.
> The attached pdf I downloaded from
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf
> It explains the downgrade rights for vista.
>
> Also newegg has a 30 gig ssd for 103 bucks with a promo code of
> EMCLPMX37 and a $20 mail in rebate. You can find the details of the
> drive here. Just research the speed of the ssd drive, some are faster
> than others.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227393&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL031909&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL031909-_-SolidStateDisks-_-L5C-_-20227393
>
> I bought a EeePC. Its the 1000 model with 40 gig ssd and loaded with
> linux. I really like it. The version of linux that comes on it isn't the
> best. I currently have eeebuntu http://www.eeebuntu.org/ running on it
> from an 8 gig sd card. When I get time I am going to install it on the
> internal ssd so I can free up the sd card slot on it. I don't miss a dvd
> drive on it. There is a neat application that lets you install a linux
> iso image to a thumb drive and make it bootable. Its called UNetbootin
> and can be found here http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ I used it to
> install eeebuntu on my EeePC and also for creating a usb stick with
> clonezilla on it. This is handy since all the library computers will now
> boot off of usb devices.
>
> -Ed Liddle
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:18 -0400, Chad Neeper (list) wrote:
>
>> LOL! I had to grin when I saw the cases I mentioned earlier. The cases
>> give you the option of using a standard sized 5.25" CD/DVD-ROM or a
>> slimline CD/DVD with a 3.5" floppy drive. You're right. Floppies are
>> long, long obsolete, yet people/businesses/LIBRARIES still want/need
>> them! How frustrating!
>>
>> Jim: Good point on the SSDs. The prices are coming down quickly
>> (YEAH!) and the power draw is much better. I'm anxiously awaiting a
>> good pricepoint/capacity to buy one for my battery-abusive laptop!
>>
>> Eric: On the custom building front...you're right. If you build it
>> yourself you might save a few bucks on the initial tangible cost, but
>> you have to support it yourself over the long haul. Some libraries
>> might be able to do it efficiently, but probably not most. If you get
>> a custom build from a reseller, then there's a pretty good chance the
>> reseller is going to be a local company and not on par with the Dells
>> of the world. That could be good or bad, but you still have a single
>> point for support of the computers, just like buying a Dell. That
>> obviously doesn't make the decision any easier and I'm certainly not
>> advocating one over the other. (So good luck there figuring out what's
>> best for your library! :-) )
>>
>> Someone: Resellers can still buy oem XP licenses for installation
>> ONLY on netbook-class (low-powered) computers. Not for higher-powered
>> computers, though. To get XP on a higher-powered computer, you have to
>> get Vista Ultimate or Business. You can then downgrade to XP Pro using
>> media THAT YOU SUPPLY yourself. If you need a CD key for the install,
>> you can call Microsoft's support and get one to match your media.
>> That's the theory, anyway. I only build machines for my own clients,
>> which means that I don't build lots and lots of them. I'll be testing
>> that backrev license soon though. Keep your fingers crossed for me!
>>
>>
>> Good luck....And I still like the idea of hanging the computer on the
>> back of the monitor. I'll have to keep my eyes open for a generic
>> case/display that can do that.
>>
>> Chad
>>
>>
>> -----------------------
>> Chad Neeper
>> Senior Systems Engineer
>>
>> Level 9 Networks
>> 740-548-8070 (voice)
>> 866-214-6607 (fax)
>>
>> -- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
>> -- Specialized in libraries and schools --
>>
>>
>> Eric Maynard wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, they know that people are not going to give those things up
>>> easily so why squeak a few dollars while we make the transition.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Maynard
>>> Head of Information Technology,
>>> Holmes County District Public Library
>>> Millersburg, OH 44654
>>>
>>> Email [emaynard at holmeslib.org]
>>> Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]
>>> Fax [330.674.1938]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Mann, James H.
>>> <JMann at gcpl.lib.oh.us> wrote:
>>> I love it….
>>>
>>> And I’m still paying an extra $20 to get floppy drives
>>> pre-installed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Mann
>>>
>>> Technology Coordinator
>>>
>>> Greene County Public Library
>>>
>>> 76 E. Market St.
>>>
>>> Xenia Ohio 45385
>>>
>>> (937)352-4000 x1210
>>>
>>> mailto: jmann at gcpl.lib.oh.us
>>>
>>> "If everything seems under control, you're just not going
>>> fast enough." - Mario Andretti.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: oplintech-bounces at oplin.org
>>> [mailto:oplintech-bounces at oplin.org] On Behalf Of JKENZIG
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:13 AM
>>> To: Eric Maynard; oplintech at oplin.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
>>>
>>>
>>> Wait a few months maybe, and Windows 7 will be out and it
>>> runs on quite a bit more types of hardware than Vista can.
>>> We are going to have to give up XP sooner or later.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most manufacturers are starting to offer the option of SSD’s
>>> in there PC’s also and by years end I expect they all will.
>>> I think it was Seagate that last years CES announced a 2
>>> TERAbyte SSD will be out this year, other drive
>>> manufactures have followed suit with announcements. 16 gb
>>> ssds are generally well available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Kenzig
>>> Network Manager
>>> Cuyahoga County Public Library
>>>
>>> Administrative Offices
>>>
>>> 2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728
>>>
>>> www.cuyahogalibrary.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: oplintech-bounces at oplin.org
>>> [mailto:oplintech-bounces at oplin.org] On Behalf Of Eric
>>> Maynard
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:00 AM
>>> To: oplintech at oplin.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Good point on the SSDs, but is there anything out there that
>>> runs XP besides netbooks? Also, I'd be curious if anything
>>> like that had built in optical drive options.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you could custom build something like this as Chad
>>> was suggesting, but I'm not sure that is the route we want
>>> to take in terms of long term support.
>>>
>>> Decisions... decisions.....
>>>
>>> Eric Maynard
>>> Head of Information Technology,
>>> Holmes County District Public Library
>>> Millersburg, OH 44654
>>>
>>> Email [emaynard at holmeslib.org]
>>> Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]
>>> Fax [330.674.1938]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:43 AM, JKENZIG
>>> <JKENZIG at cuyahogalibrary.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Remember that Solid State drives(SSD) are also starting to
>>> become the norm and they consume way less power.
>>> Also if you can try and get the VPro chipset. It has
>>> enhanced functionality for remote wakeup and control.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Kenzig
>>> Network Manager
>>> Cuyahoga County Public Library
>>>
>>>
>>> Administrative Offices
>>> 2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728
>>> www.cuyahogalibrary.org
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: oplintech-bounces at oplin.org
>>> [mailto:oplintech-bounces at oplin.org] On Behalf Of Chad
>>> Neeper
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:46 PM
>>> To: oplintech at oplin.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
>>>
>>> I don't think that's going to be so true in the very near
>>> future. A week or so ago I was looking into the Mini-ITX
>>> form factor (6.7 x 6.7 inch) motherboards from Intel for a
>>> client that wanted to buy some new computers. Intel has a
>>> few Mini-ITX boards that supports standard desktop
>>> processors. One I'm glancing at now supports the Core2 Quad.
>>> While I'd like to start using the smaller form factor, I
>>> didn't end up suggesting it yet because the selection of
>>> Mini-ITX boards available from my distributors are still
>>> primarily using underpowered processors...just like you
>>> said. I only found one mini-itx board SKU supporting
>>> standard desktop processors at one of my secondary
>>> distributors. I haven't looked for release dates from Intel,
>>> but I think they're probably right around the corner since
>>> they're already being shown on Intel's website in full
>>> detail and my distributors already have at least one SKU.
>>>
>>> The mini-itx case I was looking at had a 120W power supply.
>>> If the processor alone takes up to 65W, that leaves 55W for
>>> the motherboard, 2.5" or 3.5" hard drive, and 5.25" or
>>> slimline CD/DVD-ROM drive. That should be just enough power.
>>> Heat could definitely be an issue, as you said, but if the
>>> case is designed well, it could be managed well enough.
>>> The only thing really proprietary is the motherboard itself,
>>> with built-in video, USB, network interface, etc. But that's
>>> really no different than full ATX or mATX style
>>> motherboards.
>>>
>>> This is all from a white-box perspective, though. There
>>> probably IS more proprietary components in a Dell, Acer, or
>>> whatever other big names are left out there in this economy!
>>> But then, with those you also get things like being able to
>>> hang the computer on the back of the monitor. I haven't
>>> looked, but I think I'd probably be hard pressed to find
>>> something like that in a whitebox config.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 (more) cents.
>>>
>>> Chad
>>>
>>> -----------------------
>>> Chad Neeper
>>> Senior Systems Engineer
>>>
>>> Level 9 Networks
>>> 740-548-8070 (voice)
>>> 866-214-6607 (fax)
>>>
>>> -- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
>>> -- Specialized in libraries and schools --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Industry Standard Computers wrote:
>>> > The problem with ALL micro computers except laptops are
>>> the power
>>> > supplies are too underrated. The computers run hotter.
>>> >
>>> > Seldom do micros have the newest or faster processors as
>>> buy options.
>>> >
>>> > Next the micro computers are generally 95% proprietary
>>> parts inside
>>> > even the hard drives sometimes are proprietary designs or
>>> interfaces.
>>> >
>>> > People who are rich can afford to replace computers every
>>> 3 years or
>>> > whenever the warranty runs out, most others can not.
>>> >
>>> > Butch
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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