[OPLINLIST] Replies on bandwidth issues not sent to list.
Phil Shirley
pshirley at cuyahogafallslibrary.org
Tue Sep 2 14:17:05 EDT 2008
Chris,
I did not give you permission to forward my message to the oplinlist,
and I suspect that few others gave you permission since you gave us only
a few minutes to respond to your request. It was impolite for you to
have forwarded my message without my permission, and many lists have
policies forbidding this. I made a decision to respond directly to you
instead of to the list, and I wish you would have respected this.
Something you could have done instead was to send the list a summary of
the private comments you received.
Phil
Christopher Brose wrote:
>
>
>
>
> **Christopher J. Brose**
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Tiffin-Seneca Public Library
>
> Voice: 419-447-3751
>
> Fax: 419-447-3045
>
> brosech at oplin.org <mailto:brosech at oplin.org>
>
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> Subject:
> RE: [OPLINLIST] Bandwidth issues.
> From:
> "Frank Atkinson" <frank at bdex.com>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:13:45 -0500
> To:
> "'Christopher Brose'" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> "'Christopher Brose'" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
> Why not use cable lines, they are asymmetrical, 1, 3, 5, 7 mbs down and
> slower up. With the video stuff its almost all coming down
>
> so maybe the asymmetrical dsl might be a good thing… the T-1 is only
> 1.4mbs…. I haven’t tried it in real life but it seems like a good
> theory !!!
>
>
>
> I saw a an article about Mushroom networks
>
> http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid7_gci1316118,00.html?track=NL-79&ad=643914&asrc=EM_NLN_3775795&uid=5810192
> <http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid7_gci1316118,00.html?track=NL-79&ad=643914&asrc=EM_NLN_3775795&uid=5810192>
> supposedly they can bond dsl and t1’s together..
>
>
>
> hope it helps…
>
>
>
> Frank Atkinson
>
> frank at bdex.com <mailto:frank at bdex.com>
>
> Columbus, Ohio
>
> *From:* oplinlist-bounces at oplin.org [mailto:oplinlist-bounces at oplin.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Christopher Brose
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:33 AM
> *To:* oplintech at oplin.org; oplinlist at oplin.org
> *Subject:* [OPLINLIST] Bandwidth issues.
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I know everyone looks at the subject “bandwidth issues” and cringes, and
> I know this has been discussed in the past, and I know with certainty
> this will be discussed in the future, so here is my question.
>
>
>
> Last September we moved our patron network off the OPLIN router due to
> bandwidth issues caused by Runescape, Myspace, video downloads, etc,
> adding a second T-1 line through AT&T. Since the internet and it’s
> traffic are never going to grow smaller, we are experiencing congestion
> on this AT&T T-1 line. The bandwidth of this second line becomes so
> completely maxed after the kids visit after school, and when our lab
> opens, anyone trying to use the Internet experience complete frustration
> with long load times and time out issues.
>
>
>
> I would like see what others have used or tested in the way of
> throttling or shaping their libraries network traffic to improve Quality
> of Service to their patrons.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> *Christopher J. Brose*
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Tiffin-Seneca Public Library
>
> Voice: 419-447-3751
>
> Fax: 419-447-3045
>
> brosech at oplin.org <mailto:brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Bandwidth issues.
> From:
> "Darrell Ulm" <drdrulm at yahoo.com>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:31:49 -0500
> To:
> <brosech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> <brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> We had the same issues in 2005, so in 2006 we acquired a second line from
> Roadrunner for $100/month, which is a great price. The line is 6.5M download
> and .35M upload. The *downloading* always is the one to be used up quickly
> due to YouTube, etc. This gave us a T1(1.5)+RR(6.5) down, but the tricky
> part was to load balance the two lines *and* make all the library database
> connections, oplin-email, database-authentication, ILS authentications,
> *always* go through the Oplin T1 line, and then load balance the rest. To do
> this, we purchased a low cost XINCOM DualWan Router, which is still in use,
> but is not the best way to do this by any means. At least it has been stable
> and faster, and allows some rules for mapping connections to the T1 or RR.
> However, now I am thinking there would be much more flexibility with
> something like PfSense open source firewall, which we also run on the staff
> network, but not for the DualWan, which the XINCOM handles.
>
> Setting up a DualWan where you have servers, and database authentications is
> not real easy, because of setting the rules for all the databases. Busy
> work, but not much fun.
>
> We also contacted Oplin about 6 months ago, and had the opportunity to
> upgrade our T1 to a fiber optical channel. If your library meets the
> requirements of 80% usage, you can get a 10M fiber-op line for free as we
> did. It is very fast! This is some new state program for faster Internet to
> schools and libraries. When you reach 80% of 10M sustained, then they up you
> to 20M(free), then 40M(free), then 100M(free) until your firewall and router
> can't take it anymore. After that Gigabit network equipment is needed, as
> the fiberop line can go to 1Gigabit, if all your networking stuff can handle
> it.
>
> Well, that was our experience, and before we did anything and had a single
> T1, we had to wait a very long time for loads, or had timeouts.
>
> Contact Oplin about this and see if you qualify, it sounds like you may be
> eligible.
>
> -Darrell Ulm
>
> ______________________________________
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> | darrellulm at smfpl.org
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>
> Subject:
> Re: [OPLINTECH] Bandwith Issues
> From:
> "Eric Webster" <ewebster at worthingtonlibraries.org>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:13:44 -0500
> To:
> <oplintech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> <oplintech at oplin.org>
>
>
> I don't trust OpenDNS personally and you should think twice too:
> http://www.roedie.nl/2007/07/11/do-not-use-opendns/
>
> <snip>
> Moreover, OpenDNS decided that when you request www.google.com you
> actually request google.navigation.opendns.com. Yes, did read it
> correctly. They decided you actually didn't want to reach
> www.google.com, instead you get redirected to one of their own sites
> which looks remarkably much like googles own site.
> </snip>
>
> And then you read this that says they put advertisements in your search
> results:
> http://www.opendns.com/how/free/how-can-opendns-be-free/
>
> Using a proxy server your could control your users traffic more. You
> could give certain sites lower priority than others, or even block
> certain ones at certain times of the day if you wanted to. You could
> also do this by groups of computers as well if you wanted. I'm
> personally only familiar with a Squid/Squidgaurd solution but I know
> these features aren't specific to that software. Not a simple or quick
> solution by any means though, but no true solution to this probably will
> be. It would take some planning and likely some network reorganization
> to use it to its fullest potential.
>
> --------------------------------------
> Eric Webster
> Network Administrator
> Worthington Libraries
> http://www.worthingtonlibraries.org/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oplintech-bounces at oplin.org [mailto:oplintech-bounces at oplin.org]
> On Behalf Of shivelri at oplin.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:55 PM
> To: oplintech at oplin.org
> Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Bandwith Issues
>
> First step I'd take is to switch to a DNS service other than that of
> your IP I have seen a major improvement of DNS resolutions since I set
> all Library Computers and my home computers to Open DNSs addresses. This
>
> is good if nothing else because of recent vulnerabilities within DNS
> recently uncovered, less known less attacked theory.
>
> We have not had it too bad here, yet, but when it does get there we plan
>
> on setting up bandwidth restriction for certain ports on the the switch,
>
> or possibly blocking certain sources of high bandwidth use such as
> Runescape (this only in a worse case situation). Outside of this we
> would implement a separate line for the staff to give them as much
> bandwidths as they need. Although we did start blocking Myspace last
> year because of several issues one being bandwidth, but mainly because
> of complaints of inappropriate pictures and malware. It did, however,
> also increase the speed of our internet during peek times.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [OPLINTECH] Bandwith Issues
> From:
> <shivelri at oplin.org>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:55:02 -0500
> To:
> <oplintech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> <oplintech at oplin.org>
>
>
> First step I'd take is to switch to a DNS service other than that of
> your IP I have seen a major improvement of DNS resolutions since I set
> all Library Computers and my home computers to Open DNSs addresses. This
> is good if nothing else because of recent vulnerabilities within DNS
> recently uncovered, less known less attacked theory.
>
> We have not had it too bad here, yet, but when it does get there we plan
> on setting up bandwidth restriction for certain ports on the the switch,
> or possibly blocking certain sources of high bandwidth use such as
> Runescape (this only in a worse case situation). Outside of this we
> would implement a separate line for the staff to give them as much
> bandwidths as they need. Although we did start blocking Myspace last
> year because of several issues one being bandwidth, but mainly because
> of complaints of inappropriate pictures and malware. It did, however,
> also increase the speed of our internet during peek times.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OPLINTECH mailing list
> OPLINTECH at oplin.org
> http://mail.oplin.org/mailman/listinfo/oplintech
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Bandwidth
> From:
> "Kristen Pool" <kristen.pool at kentfreelibrary.org>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:30:59 -0500
> To:
> "'Christopher Brose'" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> "'Christopher Brose'" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
> Hi Christopher,
>
> We use our filter to block Runescape and MySpace, and also sites that
> let patrons sneak around our filter to get to those sites. Every once
> in a while, a patron is upset that we block MySpace, but most are
> understanding when we explain that we don’t have a problem with the
> MySpace content, just the effect it has on our network.
>
> Kristen
>
>
>
> **Kristen J. Pool**
>
> **Assistant Director**
>
> Kent Free Library
>
> 312 West Main Street
>
> Kent, OH 44240
>
> 330.673.4414 x132
>
> www.kentfreelibrary.org <http://www.kentfreelibrary.org>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> bandwidth and OPLIN
> From:
> "Nancy Currie" <nancy.currie at madison.lib.oh.us>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:18:58 -0500
> To:
> <brosech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> <brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
> Hello Christopher,
>
>
>
> OPLIN is putting additional T-1 lines in at a number of libraries. We
> were about to pull our public traffic off OPLIN for the same reason when
> they contacted us a few months ago to say we were getting an additional
> line. If fiber is available in your area, they will upgrade you to that
> as well. I’d say contact OPLIN about getting upgraded and cut the
> library’s costs. You’ll be a hero. ;-)
>
>
>
> ******************************************************
>
> Nancy Currie, Director 440-428-2189
>
> Madison Public Library Fax: 440-428-7402
>
> 6111 Middle Ridge Rd.
>
> Madison, OH 44057
>
>
>
> www.madison-library.info <http://www.madison-library.info>
>
>
>
>
>
> Message: 4
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:33:24 -0500
>
> From: "Christopher Brose" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
> Subject: [OPLINLIST] Bandwidth issues.
>
> To: <oplintech at oplin.org>, <oplinlist at oplin.org>
>
> Message-ID: <004a01c90849$7afc9c20$4a00a8c0 at tiffinlib.org>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I know everyone looks at the subject "bandwidth issues" and cringes, and
> I know this has been discussed in the past, and I know with certainty
> this will be discussed in the future, so here is my question.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Last September we moved our patron network off the OPLIN router due to
> bandwidth issues caused by Runescape, Myspace, video downloads, etc, adding
>
> a second T-1 line through AT&T. Since the internet and it's traffic are
>
> never going to grow smaller, we are experiencing congestion on this AT&T
> T-1 line. The bandwidth of this second line becomes so completely maxed
> after the kids visit after school, and when our lab opens, anyone trying
> to use the Internet experience complete frustration with long load times
> and time out issues.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I would like see what others have used or tested in the way of
> throttling or shaping their libraries network traffic to improve Quality
> of Service to their patrons.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Christopher J. Brose
>
>
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> Tiffin-Seneca Public Library
>
>
>
> Voice: 419-447-3751
>
>
>
> Fax: 419-447-3045
>
>
>
> brosech at oplin.org
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [OPLINTECH] Bandwidth issues.
> From:
> "Phil Shirley" <pshirley at cuyahogafallslibrary.org>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:37:18 -0500
> To:
> "Christopher Brose" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> "Christopher Brose" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
> We added broadband from time warner cable, and then oplin started their
> quarterly(?) bandwidth testing, decided we needed more, and gave us a 10
> megabit fiber connection (we had to pay some installation costs). It's
> possible that fiber might not be available in your area. Call oplin
> support to find out more about this. You would need to have your high
> traffic computers on the oplin line during the testing week to prove you
> needed more bw. Our firewall was able to use the oplin t1 first and
> then when it got full to automatically use the time warner connection we
> had for additional traffic - so we didn't have to suffer to prove our
> need to oplin.
>
> Phil
>
> Christopher Brose wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know everyone looks at the subject “bandwidth issues” and cringes, and
>> I know this has been discussed in the past, and I know with certainty
>> this will be discussed in the future, so here is my question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Last September we moved our patron network off the OPLIN router due to
>> bandwidth issues caused by Runescape, Myspace, video downloads, etc,
>> adding a second T-1 line through AT&T. Since the internet and it’s
>> traffic are never going to grow smaller, we are experiencing congestion
>> on this AT&T T-1 line. The bandwidth of this second line becomes so
>> completely maxed after the kids visit after school, and when our lab
>> opens, anyone trying to use the Internet experience complete frustration
>> with long load times and time out issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like see what others have used or tested in the way of
>> throttling or shaping their libraries network traffic to improve Quality
>> of Service to their patrons.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> **Christopher J. Brose**
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Tiffin-Seneca Public Library
>>
>> Voice: 419-447-3751
>>
>> Fax: 419-447-3045
>>
>> brosech at oplin.org <mailto:brosech at oplin.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Subject:
> Re: [OPLINLIST] Bandwidth issues.
> From:
> "Dee Conine" <coninede at oplin.org>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:26:56 -0500
> To:
> "Christopher Brose" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> "Christopher Brose" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
> *Good Morning!
>
> Can you qualify for the OPLIN-funded fiber optic line?
>
> Another thought....I believe OPLIN can block specific sites---for
> example, Runescape.
>
> How are your XP/SP3 computers behaving with the new DeepFreeze? I wll
> be configuring new computers this weekend so it would be reassuring to
> know that there are no problems.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> *
> Christopher Brose wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know everyone looks at the subject “bandwidth issues” and cringes,
>> and I know this has been discussed in the past, and I know with
>> certainty this will be discussed in the future, so here is my question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Last September we moved our patron network off the OPLIN router due to
>> bandwidth issues caused by Runescape, Myspace, video downloads, etc,
>> adding a second T-1 line through AT&T. Since the internet and it’s
>> traffic are never going to grow smaller, we are experiencing
>> congestion on this AT&T T-1 line. The bandwidth of this second line
>> becomes so completely maxed after the kids visit after school, and
>> when our lab opens, anyone trying to use the Internet experience
>> complete frustration with long load times and time out issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like see what others have used or tested in the way of
>> throttling or shaping their libraries network traffic to improve
>> Quality of Service to their patrons.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> **Christopher J. Brose**
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Tiffin-Seneca Public Library
>>
>> Voice: 419-447-3751
>>
>> Fax: 419-447-3045
>>
>> brosech at oplin.org <mailto:brosech at oplin.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> OPLINLIST at oplin.org
>> http://mail.oplin.org/mailman/listinfo/oplinlist
>>
>
> --
> ====================================================
> Dee Conine, Assistant Director/Technology Co-Ordinator
> Kaubisch Memorial Public Library
> 205 Perry Street
> Fostoria, Ohio 44830
>
> Telephone: 419-435-2813 or 419-435-1071
> Fax: 419-435-5350
> Mail to: coninede at oplin.org
> http://www.fostoria.lib.oh.us
> ====================================================
> "It is not the strongest of the species that survive,
> nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive
> to change." -- Charles Darwin
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [OPLINLIST] Bandwidth issues.
> From:
> "Andrea Adkins" <abradkins at yahoo.com>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:19:01 -0500
> To:
> "Christopher Brose" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> "Christopher Brose" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
> OPLIN just installed a 10 mb line into the library. We also use
> Cymphonix software for shaping and filtering. Together those have made a
> huge difference.
>
> Andrea B. Adkins, Librarian
> Information Services Manager
> Marietta Library - Washington County Public Libraries
> 615 Fifth Street
> Marietta, OH 45750
> 740-373-1057 ext. 208
> andrea at wcplib.lib.oh.us
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Christopher Brose <brosech at oplin.org>
> To: oplintech at oplin.org; oplinlist at oplin.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:33:24 AM
> Subject: [OPLINLIST] Bandwidth issues.
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I know everyone looks at the subject “bandwidth issues” and cringes, and
> I know this has been discussed in the past, and I know with certainty
> this will be discussed in the future, so here is my question.
>
>
>
> Last September we moved our patron network off the OPLIN router due to
> bandwidth issues caused by Runescape, Myspace <http://www.myspace.com/>,
> video downloads, etc, adding a second T-1 line through AT&T. Since the
> internet and it’s traffic are never going to grow smaller, we are
> experiencing congestion on this AT&T T-1 line. The bandwidth of this
> second line becomes so completely maxed after the kids visit after
> school, and when our lab opens, anyone trying to use the Internet
> experience complete frustration with long load times and time out issues.
>
>
>
> I would like see what others have used or tested in the way of
> throttling or shaping their libraries network traffic to improve Quality
> of Service to their patrons.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> **Christopher J. Brose**
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Tiffin-Seneca Public Library
>
> Voice: 419-447-3751
>
> Fax: 419-447-3045
>
> brosech at oplin.org <mailto:brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> RE: [OPLINLIST] Bandwidth issues.
> From:
> "Rick" <aut at briggslibrary.org>
> Date:
> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:41:10 -0500
> To:
> "'Christopher Brose'" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
> To:
> "'Christopher Brose'" <brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
> We use a p2pbarrier on the patron computers to control bandwidth usage.
> We also employ managed switches that are capable of controlling
> bandwidth usage on all ports. I hope this helps.
>
> Rick Sturgill
> Assistant Director of Communications
> Briggs Lawrence County Public Library
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* oplinlist-bounces at oplin.org [mailto:oplinlist-bounces at oplin.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Christopher Brose
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:33 AM
> *To:* oplintech at oplin.org; oplinlist at oplin.org
> *Subject:* [OPLINLIST] Bandwidth issues.
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I know everyone looks at the subject “bandwidth issues” and cringes, and
> I know this has been discussed in the past, and I know with certainty
> this will be discussed in the future, so here is my question.
>
>
>
> Last September we moved our patron network off the OPLIN router due to
> bandwidth issues caused by Runescape, Myspace, video downloads, etc,
> adding a second T-1 line through AT&T. Since the internet and it’s
> traffic are never going to grow smaller, we are experiencing congestion
> on this AT&T T-1 line. The bandwidth of this second line becomes so
> completely maxed after the kids visit after school, and when our lab
> opens, anyone trying to use the Internet experience complete frustration
> with long load times and time out issues.
>
>
>
> I would like see what others have used or tested in the way of
> throttling or shaping their libraries network traffic to improve Quality
> of Service to their patrons.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> **Christopher J. Brose**
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Tiffin-Seneca Public Library
>
> Voice: 419-447-3751
>
> Fax: 419-447-3045
>
> brosech at oplin.org <mailto:brosech at oplin.org>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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Technology Services Coordinator
Cuyahoga Falls Library
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
330-928-2117, ext. 109
pshirley at CuyahogaFallsLibrary dot org
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