[DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Fri Jan 22 13:15:37 EST 2016

It very much is an ideological statement – but a technical one as well.  I was in those early discussions when the DPLA made this decision and we discussed a number of licensing models, many far less ideological.  But in the end, the CC0 statement most closely aligned with the intent of the project, and allowed the project to work closely with and mingle metadata with Europeana (another CC0 dataset).  I supported this decision then and I do now.  The problem is that DPLA is an aggregations of aggregations.   How do determine attribution for that?  The record you see for an item isn’t your harvested metadata.  It’s metadata that has been enriched by the aggregation – you metadata no longer exists and may not even be show – it just becomes one larger part of the whole.  And that’s where OCLC’s statement becomes problematic – because attribute is difficult because their data is just one part of many other.  Likewise, it raises barriers to how the data might be reused in the future.  Anyone that wants to use DPLAs metadata knows that it’s in the public domain.  However, if you allow mixed licensing models, then that data inherits those restrictions and figuring out what you can do with some data over others becomes incredibly complicated – not just on the DPLA side, but for anyone that may want to make use of that information.

--tr

From: Stephen Hedges [mailto:stephen at oplin.ohio.gov]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:07 PM
To: Chatham Ewing <chatham.ewing at cpl.org>
Cc: Reese, Terry P. <reese.2179 at osu.edu>; dplasteering at lists.oplin.org
Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

If you look at DPLA's metadata policy statement -- http://dp.la/info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/DPLAMetadataPolicy.pdf -- they're taking an ideological stand.

"The DPLA believes that the vast majority of metadata as
defined herein is not subject to copyright protection because it either
expresses only objective facts (which are not original) or constitutes
expression so limited by the number of ways the underlying ideas can be
expressed that such expression has merged with those ideas."

And if you don't agree with that ideology, then the CC0 license pretty much destroys any possible hope of copyright protection for your metadata. It's a way to give "creators a way to waive all their copyright and related rights in their works to the fullest extent allowed by law." (https://creativecommons.org/about/cc0/)

If I were in the business of selling metadata-related services, CC0 would make me understandably nervous.
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Stephen
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Chatham Ewing <chatham.ewing at cpl.org<mailto:chatham.ewing at cpl.org>> wrote:

So per a 2012 release, OCLC recommends ODC-BY:

https://www.oclc.org/news/releases/2012/201248.en.html

Here is the Open Data Commons organization and a list of their licenses.

http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/

Did this set of licenses find a way into the legal discussions of DPLA and Creative Commons?

On one hand, though the terms of participation don't seem to allow us to ask the question, can someone explain to me what justifies DPLA's requirement regarding CC-0 in a world of open data where something like ODC-BY does not seem to be technically difficult?

On the other hand, I wonder if OCLC would bend far enough to release their data and enter a strong community oriented statement info into the MAP 4.0 'provider' or 'intermediate provider' field?

C/

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Subject: RE: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Have we heard directly yet from OCLC and/or DPLA about how licensing and metadata might work with DPLA? Have we asked? Are there possible workarounds? And if we choose to work on parallel tracks, what happens to metadata that gets contributed to both Collection Manager *and* DPLA from a ContentDM instance?

Yes – DPLA won’t accept the data unless it’s CC0, if OCLC can accommodate that, they are happy to investigate OCLC as a data-feed.  Speaking to Taylor yesterday, they have been meeting with Emily Gore and others at DPLA to try and determine if DPLA would be open to working with OCLC, and he relayed that they are not opposed to it, but OCLC would need to comply with the terms laid out in the DPLA agreements.  While DPLA is flexible in some things, the pain points around metadata they are not.  At present, this is the biggest roadblock, but Taylor is taking this question to OCLC legal.  Parallel tracks would be fine – you personally can deliver your data to multiple resources…it would just have to be a parallel harvest in that they would have to be two separate harvest feeds.  This would mean that enhancements made to the data via oclc’s tools wouldn’t be represented in the dpla data, and vise versa.

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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

All,

I can be argued out of my thinking on this, and I'm willing to set my concerns aside and work with my library to pull our weight within a consortium. I would prefer what you called a "lightweight feed" in a previous conversation, but in the right circumstances, CPL could and would be willing to find a way to contribute to a shared network staffed collectively doing what seems to have evolved into more heavyweight work.

I work at a public library that hopes to avoid being banished to the a "Type C" category,  but I still think trying to work with OCLC on a proof of concept/pilot OAI feed for DPLA might  be productive (though I will concede that Taylor and OCLC have not offered any concrete written responses to licensing and technology concerns). And, from my perspective as a library consumer, OCLC ,as much as I have concerns about their fees and costs and, er, other things (and I do), has managed to stay in business for quite some time and has a business model that from my perspective (no matter how much I resent it sometimes) seems to be sustainable.  RLG, the other public utility, failed for a variety of reasons having to do with addressing long-term sustainability, and as of yet DPLA seems to be murky on issues having to do with sustainability beyond a three year trial.

Having stated that as a concern,  I very much want to work with DPLA and share our data, but I also want to hedge my bets by multiplying the tools that enable presentation of my collection data and access to my libraries digital collections. As I see it, OCLC's Digital Collection Manager presents numerous potential benefits regarding aggregation and points of access created through WorldCat. At least on the face of it,  those benefits are very attractive. I want to have my data in both WorldCat and DPLA if that is at all possible.

Have we heard directly yet from OCLC and/or DPLA about how licensing and metadata might work with DPLA? Have we asked? Are there possible workarounds? And if we choose to work on parallel tracks, what happens to metadata that gets contributed to both Collection Manager *and* DPLA from a ContentDM instance?

Also, have we gotten any word from DPLA on whether there might be terms and specifications under which they'd accept a data feed from OCLC?

At the risk of being accused of being a flak for OCLC (which I am not), we have a significant number of digital collections in Ohio that use ContentDM and have put in significant financial, staff development, workflow development, and content into that database, and that seems to obligate us to push hard to investigate avenues of collaboration with OCLC to see how we might move that data and those resources easily into DPLA to share.

Chatham

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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Unless the licensing issue is corrected – no.  And certainly not at first as it only provides a data dump, not an interactive stream that notes adds, deletes, etc. that we’d expect and want from oai pmh.  So, this would fall into functionality that we’ve classified in the type C groups (those that can’t implement oai pmh on their collections).

But again, until OCLC solves the license problem, we couldn’t touch their metadata.  Doing so would put the hub in violation of the agreement you sign with DPLA (because the metadata coming from the collection manager would be license encumbered).

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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Isn't there a possibility that the OCLC Gateway could be just another path for getting data into the aggregator? So a ContentDM customer could streamline their workflow and prepare metadata for the local collection, WorldCat, and DPLA all in one step?

I think we certainly need to spend some time on the call today talking about OCLC.

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Reese, Terry P. <reese.2179 at osu.edu<mailto:reese.2179 at osu.edu>> wrote:

>> Is this a serious deal-breaker for participants who have no reason to be

>> an OCLC member (smaller museums and other cultural heritage institutions, for example?)

I have no idea how it works here in Ohio but I’ve worked with a number of folks on the west coast that had strong reasons why they weren’t OCLC members.  My guess is that this probably isn’t so much of a problem here in Ohio.   Regardless, any work with OCLC would require membership for all participants.

>> I wouldn’t say that anyone (OhioLINK, in this case) is anti-hub hosting

I didn’t mean to imply that anyone was anti-hub hosting – but as you’ve noted here – there has been a good deal of hesitancy to volunteer to pick this up because, even for a pilot, there will be a significant commitment of resources not just for new staff, but for staff with a very specific set of skills.  So while OCLC definitely has their own agendas, I wanted to make sure we’d fleshed out OCLC’s interest and talked about if this fits or not.

Best,

--tr

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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

>>>> obviously, in order to use the harvester and infrastructure, everyone would need to be an OCLC member and have an OCLC symbol.

Is this a serious deal-breaker for participants who have no reason to be an OCLC member (smaller museums and other cultural heritage institutions, for example?) If OCLC is serious about this, it seems to me that they need to get their head out of library-only space.

I wouldn’t say that anyone (OhioLINK, in this case) is anti-hub hosting — we are willing to do it. However, we are not willing to do it without a robust sustainability and funding plan, and I would expect that to be true of any other organization in dplaOhio. I’ve discussed this briefly with Missy and Beverly, and there are some possibilities for the three year pilot that don’t depend on OhioLINK funding; but funding 1.5 - 2 FTE on a permanent basis has to be planned in an equitable manner.

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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Hi folks,

I looked over Liz’s DPLA Prototype narrative and it’s probably close.  What I would say about the Hydra solution, based on our own experiences, you’d likely need 1.5-2 fte.  There is the system itself (which needs a good deal of work if we were to move it forward to current Hydra/fedora), but Fedora is its own animal – then there is solr, etc.  I think the first two years, you’ll need significant developer time to move the project forward (or partner closely with Penn. or NY).  After two years, I think the role will be reduced – but the technical person will still need a very specific set of skills.  You will need a Programmer who is familiar with DevOps.  A traditional technologist or admin won’t be sufficient.

Also, I followed up from our last conversation with Taylor at OCLC.  They are keen to do a pilot, and talked about what they see as being able to offer.  I’m still not completely sold – but they are interested in a pilot, or at least having some further discussions.  I did find it interesting that they are also having some conversations with DPLA, mostly to see what complications DPLA might see on their end.

I’ve put together my notes from my meeting today.

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Subject: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Good Morning:

Attached is the draft budget and narrative Liz prepared for the DPLA Prototype.  It has been shared with the State Librarian and the Executive Team and is now ready to be shared with the full Steering Committee in preparation for Friday’s call.  Please let Tom, Liz or I if you have any questions or concerns.  This will be an agenda item on Friday.

Have a good week,

Missy

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