[DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Fri Jan 22 15:51:10 EST 2016

I've just looked at this document and I think that the key phrase here is
OCLC derived records-most records for digital objects from cultural heritage
organizations are original cataloging contributed by the owning
institutions, they are not derived records or copy cataloging.  Do we
believe that OCLC may wish to say that once it's contributed to WorldCat and
the owning institution wishes to share it, it becomes a derived records, it
seems to be a real stretch of the definition of derived record and is not
what was the intent of the 2012 policy.

Certainly I've misinterpreted OCLC intent over the last 40 years.Liz

From: dplasteering-bounces at lists.oplin.org
[mailto:dplasteering-bounces at lists.oplin.org] On Behalf Of Chatham Ewing
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Reese, Terry P. <reese.2179 at osu.edu>; Stephen Hedges
<stephen at oplin.ohio.gov>; dplasteering at lists.oplin.org
Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

So per a 2012 release, OCLC recommends ODC-BY: 

https://www.oclc.org/news/releases/2012/201248.en.html

Here is the Open Data Commons organization and a list of their licenses.

http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/

Did this set of licenses find a way into the legal discussions of DPLA and
Creative Commons?

On one hand, though the terms of participation don't seem to allow us to ask
the question, can someone explain to me what justifies DPLA's requirement
regarding CC-0 in a world of open data where something like ODC-BY does not
seem to be technically difficult?   

On the other hand, I wonder if OCLC would bend far enough to release their
data and enter a strong community oriented statement info into the MAP 4.0
'provider' or 'intermediate provider' field?

C/

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From: Reese, Terry P. <reese.2179 at osu.edu <mailto:reese.2179 at osu.edu> >
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Subject: RE: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative 

Have we heard directly yet from OCLC and/or DPLA about how licensing and
metadata might work with DPLA? Have we asked? Are there possible
workarounds? And if we choose to work on parallel tracks, what happens to
metadata that gets contributed to both Collection Manager *and* DPLA from a
ContentDM instance?

Yes - DPLA won't accept the data unless it's CC0, if OCLC can accommodate
that, they are happy to investigate OCLC as a data-feed.  Speaking to Taylor
yesterday, they have been meeting with Emily Gore and others at DPLA to try
and determine if DPLA would be open to working with OCLC, and he relayed
that they are not opposed to it, but OCLC would need to comply with the
terms laid out in the DPLA agreements.  While DPLA is flexible in some
things, the pain points around metadata they are not.  At present, this is
the biggest roadblock, but Taylor is taking this question to OCLC legal.
Parallel tracks would be fine - you personally can deliver your data to
multiple resources.it would just have to be a parallel harvest in that they
would have to be two separate harvest feeds.  This would mean that
enhancements made to the data via oclc's tools wouldn't be represented in
the dpla data, and vise versa.

--tr

From: Chatham Ewing [mailto:chatham.ewing at cpl.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:03 AM
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Stephen Hedges <stephen at oplin.ohio.gov <mailto:stephen at oplin.ohio.gov> >;
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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

All,

I can be argued out of my thinking on this, and I'm willing to set my
concerns aside and work with my library to pull our weight within a
consortium. I would prefer what you called a "lightweight feed" in a
previous conversation, but in the right circumstances, CPL could and would
be willing to find a way to contribute to a shared network staffed
collectively doing what seems to have evolved into more heavyweight work. 

I work at a public library that hopes to avoid being banished to the a "Type
C" category,  but I still think trying to work with OCLC on a proof of
concept/pilot OAI feed for DPLA might  be productive (though I will concede
that Taylor and OCLC have not offered any concrete written responses to
licensing and technology concerns). And, from my perspective as a library
consumer, OCLC ,as much as I have concerns about their fees and costs and,
er, other things (and I do), has managed to stay in business for quite some
time and has a business model that from my perspective (no matter how much I
resent it sometimes) seems to be sustainable.  RLG, the other public
utility, failed for a variety of reasons having to do with addressing
long-term sustainability, and as of yet DPLA seems to be murky on issues
having to do with sustainability beyond a three year trial. 

Having stated that as a concern,  I very much want to work with DPLA and
share our data, but I also want to hedge my bets by multiplying the tools
that enable presentation of my collection data and access to my libraries
digital collections. As I see it, OCLC's Digital Collection Manager presents
numerous potential benefits regarding aggregation and points of access
created through WorldCat. At least on the face of it,  those benefits are
very attractive. I want to have my data in both WorldCat and DPLA if that is
at all possible. 

Have we heard directly yet from OCLC and/or DPLA about how licensing and
metadata might work with DPLA? Have we asked? Are there possible
workarounds? And if we choose to work on parallel tracks, what happens to
metadata that gets contributed to both Collection Manager *and* DPLA from a
ContentDM instance?

Also, have we gotten any word from DPLA on whether there might be terms and
specifications under which they'd accept a data feed from OCLC?

At the risk of being accused of being a flak for OCLC (which I am not), we
have a significant number of digital collections in Ohio that use ContentDM
and have put in significant financial, staff development, workflow
development, and content into that database, and that seems to obligate us
to push hard to investigate avenues of collaboration with OCLC to see how we
might move that data and those resources easily into DPLA to share. 

Chatham

Chatham Ewing
Digital Library Strategist
Cleveland Public Library
325 Superior Ave., N.E.

Cleveland, OH 44114-1271

216.213.3962 (mobile)
chatham.ewing at cpl.org <mailto:chatham.ewing at cpl.org> 
http://www.cpl.org  

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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative 

Unless the licensing issue is corrected - no.  And certainly not at first as
it only provides a data dump, not an interactive stream that notes adds,
deletes, etc. that we'd expect and want from oai pmh.  So, this would fall
into functionality that we've classified in the type C groups (those that
can't implement oai pmh on their collections).

But again, until OCLC solves the license problem, we couldn't touch their
metadata.  Doing so would put the hub in violation of the agreement you sign
with DPLA (because the metadata coming from the collection manager would be
license encumbered). 

--tr

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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Isn't there a possibility that the OCLC Gateway could be just another path
for getting data into the aggregator? So a ContentDM customer could
streamline their workflow and prepare metadata for the local collection,
WorldCat, and DPLA all in one step?

I think we certainly need to spend some time on the call today talking about
OCLC.

--

Stephen

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Reese, Terry P. <reese.2179 at osu.edu
<mailto:reese.2179 at osu.edu> > wrote:

>> Is this a serious deal-breaker for participants who have no reason to be 

>> an OCLC member (smaller museums and other cultural heritage institutions,
for example?)

I have no idea how it works here in Ohio but I've worked with a number of
folks on the west coast that had strong reasons why they weren't OCLC
members.  My guess is that this probably isn't so much of a problem here in
Ohio.   Regardless, any work with OCLC would require membership for all
participants.  

>> I wouldn't say that anyone (OhioLINK, in this case) is anti-hub hosting

I didn't mean to imply that anyone was anti-hub hosting - but as you've
noted here - there has been a good deal of hesitancy to volunteer to pick
this up because, even for a pilot, there will be a significant commitment of
resources not just for new staff, but for staff with a very specific set of
skills.  So while OCLC definitely has their own agendas, I wanted to make
sure we'd fleshed out OCLC's interest and talked about if this fits or not. 

Best,

--tr

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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

>>>> obviously, in order to use the harvester and infrastructure, everyone
would need to be an OCLC member and have an OCLC symbol. 

Is this a serious deal-breaker for participants who have no reason to be an
OCLC member (smaller museums and other cultural heritage institutions, for
example?) If OCLC is serious about this, it seems to me that they need to
get their head out of library-only space.

I wouldn't say that anyone (OhioLINK, in this case) is anti-hub hosting - we
are willing to do it. However, we are not willing to do it without a robust
sustainability and funding plan, and I would expect that to be true of any
other organization in dplaOhio. I've discussed this briefly with Missy and
Beverly, and there are some possibilities for the three year pilot that
don't depend on OhioLINK funding; but funding 1.5 - 2 FTE on a permanent
basis has to be planned in an equitable manner.

Best, Gwen

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Subject: Re: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Hi folks, 

I looked over Liz's DPLA Prototype narrative and it's probably close.  What
I would say about the Hydra solution, based on our own experiences, you'd
likely need 1.5-2 fte.  There is the system itself (which needs a good deal
of work if we were to move it forward to current Hydra/fedora), but Fedora
is its own animal - then there is solr, etc.  I think the first two years,
you'll need significant developer time to move the project forward (or
partner closely with Penn. or NY).  After two years, I think the role will
be reduced - but the technical person will still need a very specific set of
skills.  You will need a Programmer who is familiar with DevOps.  A
traditional technologist or admin won't be sufficient.   

Also, I followed up from our last conversation with Taylor at OCLC.  They
are keen to do a pilot, and talked about what they see as being able to
offer.  I'm still not completely sold - but they are interested in a pilot,
or at least having some further discussions.  I did find it interesting that
they are also having some conversations with DPLA, mostly to see what
complications DPLA might see on their end. 

I've put together my notes from my meeting today.

--tr

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Subject: [DPLAsteering] Prototype budget and narrative

Good Morning:

Attached is the draft budget and narrative Liz prepared for the DPLA
Prototype.  It has been shared with the State Librarian and the Executive
Team and is now ready to be shared with the full Steering Committee in
preparation for Friday's call.  Please let Tom, Liz or I if you have any
questions or concerns.  This will be an agenda item on Friday.

Have a good week,

Missy

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