[OPLINLIST] Require library card for public wireless?

Fri Jul 27 14:14:27 EDT 2012

To be honest, this is why I am quick to remind parents that the library, 
unlike the school, does not act "in loco parentis" and that we cannot 
claim responsibility for things that children do in the library that are 
not illegal or against general library policy. (I will admit I state it 
in a slightly less confrontational, more affirmative manner..)

That said, if a parent comes to me and says that they don't want the 
child to use the internet on our computers, I will place a block on 
their account, but if they said they wanted me to block that child on 
any device I would say that is physically impossible (which the way we 
are setup, it pretty much is).  I might also remind the parent that even 
if I could keep their kid off the internet here, that they could simply 
walk up to McDonald's and access the internet there.

Have a good weekend.

Joe

Joseph Knueven
Director
Germantown Public Library
51 N. Plum St.
Germantown, OH 45327
937-696-9998x10
knuevejo at oplin.org

On 7/26/2012 4:09 PM, PJORDAN wrote:
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> Depends if their friend's account is delinquent, I guess J
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> *From:*oplinlist-bounces at lists.oplin.org 
> [mailto:oplinlist-bounces at lists.oplin.org] *On Behalf Of *Eric Taggart
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:02 PM
> *To:* Paris Robertson
> *Cc:* Phil Shirley; oplinlist at oplin.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OPLINLIST] Require library card for public wireless?
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> What happens if they also borrow their friend's card?
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> Eric D. Taggart, Director
> Coshocton Public Library
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> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Paris Robertson <robertpa at oplin.org 
> <mailto:robertpa at oplin.org>> wrote:
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> I can understand your viewpoint on this, however I'd be concerned with 
> the advent of portable tech so readily available today -- it may not 
> be the parent that is providing the device to the child.  It's a 
> simple matter for a teen to borrow a device from a friend and if a 
> parent has specifically stated they don't want their child to have 
> access to the internet while at the library... you can see where I'm 
> going with this.
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> *-Paris Robertson*
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> *From:*oplinlist-bounces at lists.oplin.org 
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> <mailto:oplinlist-bounces at lists.oplin.org>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Butler
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 26, 2012 3:15 PM
> *To:* Phil Shirley
> *Cc:* oplinlist at oplin.org <mailto:oplinlist at oplin.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OPLINLIST] Require library card for public wireless?
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> Hi Phil,
>
> At the Holmes County District Public Library we do not require a 
> library card for wireless use, but we do require users to accept usage 
> terms. We use Sputnik to do this via a captive portal. This absolves 
> us of liability for anything that the user might encounter while using 
> our wireless services on their own device. Because this fulfills the 
> purpose of freeing our library of liability, we chose not to require 
> patrons to enter their library card for authentication, as it seemed 
> that it would be a hassle for patrons to use the wireless, and an even 
> bigger hassle for IT staff to set up and maintain, with no real gains 
> for anyone.
>
> The one disadvantage that I can think of for not requiring 
> authentication through a library card would be that since the wireless 
> connections do not authenticate through the PC Reservation SIP server 
> (or something similar), a minor that was flagged for no internet 
> access on our patron computers could come into the library with a 
> mobile device, be it a laptop, smart phone or tablet, and access the 
> internet without parental/guardian permission. However, a minor whose 
> parents or guardians allow them access to such a device, but not the 
> internet access the device was made for, seems unlikely.
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Phil Shirley 
> <pshirley at cuyahogafallslibrary.org 
> <mailto:pshirley at cuyahogafallslibrary.org>> wrote:
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> Do you require patrons to enter their library card number to use your
> wireless Internet? If not, is it because you've chosen not to, or because
> you don't have any way to do it?
>
> We're about to implement SPOT from Librarica, and the issue of whether to
> require a library card has come up. Thanks for any help you can give us.
>
> Phil
>
> Phil Shirley
> Technology Services Coordinator
> Cuyahoga Falls Library
> Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
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