[OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
Chad Neeper (list)
cneeper at level9networks.com
Fri Mar 20 08:56:23 EDT 2009
On re-reading my messages, you right, Ed. I mis-spoke (-typed) on the
downgrade to XP. I certainly could have been clearer. Thanks for
pointing that out!
Chad
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Chad Neeper
Senior Systems Engineer
Level 9 Networks
740-548-8070 (voice)
866-214-6607 (fax)
-- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
-- Specialized in libraries and schools --
Chad Neeper (list) wrote:
> That's my understanding too. That's why the end used is supposed to
> provide the WinXP media.
>
> A 30GB SSD is too small for my own needs, but it's a great price for
> anyone considering SSDs with those specs. Definitely worth a look.
>
> Chad
>
> -----------------------
> Chad Neeper
> Senior Systems Engineer
>
> Level 9 Networks
> 740-548-8070 (voice)
> 866-214-6607 (fax)
>
> -- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
> -- Specialized in libraries and schools --
>
>
>
> Ed Liddle wrote:
>
>> It was my understanding that to be able to downgrade to XP from vista,
>> you have to currently have computers running XP. When you install XP on
>> a new PC with a vista business or ultimate license you can use the XP
>> numbers off of one of your existing XP computers. If XP won't activate
>> then you have to call microsoft and once they determine you have a valid
>> vista license they will give you something to activate xp.
>> The attached pdf I downloaded from
>> http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf
>> It explains the downgrade rights for vista.
>>
>> Also newegg has a 30 gig ssd for 103 bucks with a promo code of
>> EMCLPMX37 and a $20 mail in rebate. You can find the details of the
>> drive here. Just research the speed of the ssd drive, some are faster
>> than others.
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227393&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL031909&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL031909-_-SolidStateDisks-_-L5C-_-20227393
>>
>> I bought a EeePC. Its the 1000 model with 40 gig ssd and loaded with
>> linux. I really like it. The version of linux that comes on it isn't the
>> best. I currently have eeebuntu http://www.eeebuntu.org/ running on it
>> from an 8 gig sd card. When I get time I am going to install it on the
>> internal ssd so I can free up the sd card slot on it. I don't miss a dvd
>> drive on it. There is a neat application that lets you install a linux
>> iso image to a thumb drive and make it bootable. Its called UNetbootin
>> and can be found here http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ I used it to
>> install eeebuntu on my EeePC and also for creating a usb stick with
>> clonezilla on it. This is handy since all the library computers will now
>> boot off of usb devices.
>>
>> -Ed Liddle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:18 -0400, Chad Neeper (list) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> LOL! I had to grin when I saw the cases I mentioned earlier. The cases
>>> give you the option of using a standard sized 5.25" CD/DVD-ROM or a
>>> slimline CD/DVD with a 3.5" floppy drive. You're right. Floppies are
>>> long, long obsolete, yet people/businesses/LIBRARIES still want/need
>>> them! How frustrating!
>>>
>>> Jim: Good point on the SSDs. The prices are coming down quickly
>>> (YEAH!) and the power draw is much better. I'm anxiously awaiting a
>>> good pricepoint/capacity to buy one for my battery-abusive laptop!
>>>
>>> Eric: On the custom building front...you're right. If you build it
>>> yourself you might save a few bucks on the initial tangible cost, but
>>> you have to support it yourself over the long haul. Some libraries
>>> might be able to do it efficiently, but probably not most. If you get
>>> a custom build from a reseller, then there's a pretty good chance the
>>> reseller is going to be a local company and not on par with the Dells
>>> of the world. That could be good or bad, but you still have a single
>>> point for support of the computers, just like buying a Dell. That
>>> obviously doesn't make the decision any easier and I'm certainly not
>>> advocating one over the other. (So good luck there figuring out what's
>>> best for your library! :-) )
>>>
>>> Someone: Resellers can still buy oem XP licenses for installation
>>> ONLY on netbook-class (low-powered) computers. Not for higher-powered
>>> computers, though. To get XP on a higher-powered computer, you have to
>>> get Vista Ultimate or Business. You can then downgrade to XP Pro using
>>> media THAT YOU SUPPLY yourself. If you need a CD key for the install,
>>> you can call Microsoft's support and get one to match your media.
>>> That's the theory, anyway. I only build machines for my own clients,
>>> which means that I don't build lots and lots of them. I'll be testing
>>> that backrev license soon though. Keep your fingers crossed for me!
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck....And I still like the idea of hanging the computer on the
>>> back of the monitor. I'll have to keep my eyes open for a generic
>>> case/display that can do that.
>>>
>>> Chad
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------
>>> Chad Neeper
>>> Senior Systems Engineer
>>>
>>> Level 9 Networks
>>> 740-548-8070 (voice)
>>> 866-214-6607 (fax)
>>>
>>> -- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
>>> -- Specialized in libraries and schools --
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Maynard wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah, they know that people are not going to give those things up
>>>> easily so why squeak a few dollars while we make the transition.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric Maynard
>>>> Head of Information Technology,
>>>> Holmes County District Public Library
>>>> Millersburg, OH 44654
>>>>
>>>> Email [emaynard at holmeslib.org]
>>>> Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]
>>>> Fax [330.674.1938]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Mann, James H.
>>>> <JMann at gcpl.lib.oh.us> wrote:
>>>> I love it….
>>>>
>>>> And I’m still paying an extra $20 to get floppy drives
>>>> pre-installed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Mann
>>>>
>>>> Technology Coordinator
>>>>
>>>> Greene County Public Library
>>>>
>>>> 76 E. Market St.
>>>>
>>>> Xenia Ohio 45385
>>>>
>>>> (937)352-4000 x1210
>>>>
>>>> mailto: jmann at gcpl.lib.oh.us
>>>>
>>>> "If everything seems under control, you're just not going
>>>> fast enough." - Mario Andretti.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: oplintech-bounces at oplin.org
>>>> [mailto:oplintech-bounces at oplin.org] On Behalf Of JKENZIG
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:13 AM
>>>> To: Eric Maynard; oplintech at oplin.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wait a few months maybe, and Windows 7 will be out and it
>>>> runs on quite a bit more types of hardware than Vista can.
>>>> We are going to have to give up XP sooner or later.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most manufacturers are starting to offer the option of SSD’s
>>>> in there PC’s also and by years end I expect they all will.
>>>> I think it was Seagate that last years CES announced a 2
>>>> TERAbyte SSD will be out this year, other drive
>>>> manufactures have followed suit with announcements. 16 gb
>>>> ssds are generally well available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Kenzig
>>>> Network Manager
>>>> Cuyahoga County Public Library
>>>>
>>>> Administrative Offices
>>>>
>>>> 2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728
>>>>
>>>> www.cuyahogalibrary.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: oplintech-bounces at oplin.org
>>>> [mailto:oplintech-bounces at oplin.org] On Behalf Of Eric
>>>> Maynard
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:00 AM
>>>> To: oplintech at oplin.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Good point on the SSDs, but is there anything out there that
>>>> runs XP besides netbooks? Also, I'd be curious if anything
>>>> like that had built in optical drive options.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you could custom build something like this as Chad
>>>> was suggesting, but I'm not sure that is the route we want
>>>> to take in terms of long term support.
>>>>
>>>> Decisions... decisions.....
>>>>
>>>> Eric Maynard
>>>> Head of Information Technology,
>>>> Holmes County District Public Library
>>>> Millersburg, OH 44654
>>>>
>>>> Email [emaynard at holmeslib.org]
>>>> Phone [330.674.5972 x.224]
>>>> Fax [330.674.1938]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:43 AM, JKENZIG
>>>> <JKENZIG at cuyahogalibrary.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Remember that Solid State drives(SSD) are also starting to
>>>> become the norm and they consume way less power.
>>>> Also if you can try and get the VPro chipset. It has
>>>> enhanced functionality for remote wakeup and control.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Kenzig
>>>> Network Manager
>>>> Cuyahoga County Public Library
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Administrative Offices
>>>> 2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728
>>>> www.cuyahogalibrary.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: oplintech-bounces at oplin.org
>>>> [mailto:oplintech-bounces at oplin.org] On Behalf Of Chad
>>>> Neeper
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:46 PM
>>>> To: oplintech at oplin.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [OPLINTECH] Public Access Computer purchases
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that's going to be so true in the very near
>>>> future. A week or so ago I was looking into the Mini-ITX
>>>> form factor (6.7 x 6.7 inch) motherboards from Intel for a
>>>> client that wanted to buy some new computers. Intel has a
>>>> few Mini-ITX boards that supports standard desktop
>>>> processors. One I'm glancing at now supports the Core2 Quad.
>>>> While I'd like to start using the smaller form factor, I
>>>> didn't end up suggesting it yet because the selection of
>>>> Mini-ITX boards available from my distributors are still
>>>> primarily using underpowered processors...just like you
>>>> said. I only found one mini-itx board SKU supporting
>>>> standard desktop processors at one of my secondary
>>>> distributors. I haven't looked for release dates from Intel,
>>>> but I think they're probably right around the corner since
>>>> they're already being shown on Intel's website in full
>>>> detail and my distributors already have at least one SKU.
>>>>
>>>> The mini-itx case I was looking at had a 120W power supply.
>>>> If the processor alone takes up to 65W, that leaves 55W for
>>>> the motherboard, 2.5" or 3.5" hard drive, and 5.25" or
>>>> slimline CD/DVD-ROM drive. That should be just enough power.
>>>> Heat could definitely be an issue, as you said, but if the
>>>> case is designed well, it could be managed well enough.
>>>> The only thing really proprietary is the motherboard itself,
>>>> with built-in video, USB, network interface, etc. But that's
>>>> really no different than full ATX or mATX style
>>>> motherboards.
>>>>
>>>> This is all from a white-box perspective, though. There
>>>> probably IS more proprietary components in a Dell, Acer, or
>>>> whatever other big names are left out there in this economy!
>>>> But then, with those you also get things like being able to
>>>> hang the computer on the back of the monitor. I haven't
>>>> looked, but I think I'd probably be hard pressed to find
>>>> something like that in a whitebox config.
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2 (more) cents.
>>>>
>>>> Chad
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------
>>>> Chad Neeper
>>>> Senior Systems Engineer
>>>>
>>>> Level 9 Networks
>>>> 740-548-8070 (voice)
>>>> 866-214-6607 (fax)
>>>>
>>>> -- Full LAN/WAN consulting services --
>>>> -- Specialized in libraries and schools --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Industry Standard Computers wrote:
>>>> > The problem with ALL micro computers except laptops are
>>>> the power
>>>> > supplies are too underrated. The computers run hotter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Seldom do micros have the newest or faster processors as
>>>> buy options.
>>>> >
>>>> > Next the micro computers are generally 95% proprietary
>>>> parts inside
>>>> > even the hard drives sometimes are proprietary designs or
>>>> interfaces.
>>>> >
>>>> > People who are rich can afford to replace computers every
>>>> 3 years or
>>>> > whenever the warranty runs out, most others can not.
>>>> >
>>>> > Butch
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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